Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 24

Thread: What is an American? (Definition of the American People)

  1. #1
    Funding Member
    „Friend of Germanics”
    Funding Membership Inactive
    Nachtengel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last Online
    @
    Ethnicity
    German
    Gender
    Posts
    6,361
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    198
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,150
    Thanked in
    665 Posts

    What is an American? (Definition of the American People)

    Frequently asked question.

    Robert Reis gives his answer at MR. Reis is nosing in the right direction (on this particular question), but Harry Laughlin's answer remains the clearest and most comprehensive:

    Definition of the American race
    Suitable for Legal and Technical Use, -- and for General Understanding

    Racially, an American is a Caucasian each of whose ancestral lines traces directly to a member of the foundation racial stock of the American people, or to a race-assimilant thereto who was fully assimilated thereby.

    (a) The foundation racial stock of the American people consists in all Caucasians who were inhabitants of the territory of the original United States at the consummation of American independence, September 3, 1783.

    (b) A race-assimilant to the foundation racial stock of the American people is a person readily assimilable thereby on account of nearness in blood-kinship thereto; such a person is a Caucasian all of whose ancestral lines trace directly to one or more of those previously established European races which furnished the ethnic elements of the foundation racial stock of the American people.
    http://racehist.blogspot.com/2008/04...-american.html

    PS: See other relevant threads on this topic:
    National Origins of America's Founders
    Who Can Become an American?
    What Ethnicities Are Included in the Definition of "Anglo-American"?

  2. The Following User Says Thank You to Nachtengel For This Useful Post:


  3. #2
    Schimmelreiter
    „Friend of Germanics”
    Funding Membership Inactive
    Hauke Haien's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Last Online
    Monday, September 4th, 2017 @ 08:59 AM
    Ethnicity
    Deutsch
    Location
    Land der Deutschen
    Gender
    Posts
    1,840
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    55
    Thanked in
    49 Posts
    Such a definition has the advantage over the permissive and careless concept of White Americanism that it can more readily lead toward a consolidated ethnic group, whose Germanic character could be maintained through a primary focus on its English/Anglo-Saxon component as a base from which to proceed.

    By the way, a sloppiness in distinguishing between races as biological types and the social phenomenon of ethnic groups that are composed of these races seems to be common in the English-speaking world.

  4. The Following User Says Thank You to Hauke Haien For This Useful Post:


  5. #3
    Progressive Collectivist
    „Friend of Germanics”
    Funding Membership Inactive
    Agrippa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Last Online
    Monday, January 31st, 2011 @ 09:22 PM
    Ethnicity
    German
    Subrace
    Atlantid
    Location
    Asgard
    Gender
    Politics
    Progressive Collectivist
    Religion
    Catholic
    Posts
    6,968
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    16
    Thanked in
    16 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    By the way, a sloppiness in distinguishing between races as biological types and the social phenomenon of ethnic groups that are composed of these races seems to be common in the English-speaking world.
    That was even noted a century ago, because racial typology and physical anthropology in general had a bad stand in the USA in particular.

    Partly, I might even ascribe that to the strong Christian and anti-biological stance of the greater public, which was not too much in favour of analysing the human nature the same way as that of the animal kingdom in general.

    When the US-cultural and ideological dominance killed all other alternatives of other countries, it was even easier to use the "race myth", especially in mixed American context, in which some so called "blacks" have in fact less Negrid than other ingredients in their genetic make up. So race is only a weak label in parts of the USA, yet that doesnt mean race as a concept has to be, but that was the false conclusion which was told the average American.

    Because if using racial characteristics in a proper way, even the typological approach, one can explain the basic American variation from the "pure" to the "mixed" without a problem.

    As for the Germanic people: Thats an ethnolinguistic group and in the USA in particular being Germanic is largely a cultural thing and the racial make up being just a precondition and the most reasonable precondition is being European to begin with.
    Magna Europa est patria nostra
    STOP GATS! STOP LIBERALISM!

  6. The Following User Says Thank You to Agrippa For This Useful Post:


  7. #4
    Funding Member
    „Friend of Germanics”
    Funding Membership Inactive
    OneWolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last Online
    Saturday, August 25th, 2012 @ 09:50 AM
    Status
    Available
    Ethnicity
    Anglo-American
    Country
    Vinland Vinland
    Location
    Tulsa,Oklahoma
    Gender
    Age
    43
    Posts
    772
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    4
    Thanked in
    4 Posts
    What is an American?
    An American is anyone who understands that achieving the best in life requires risks. Immigrants have no assurance of success in a new land with different habits, institutions and language. They leave friends, relatives and familiar places, often risking their lives to cross oceans and hostile country to reach their new homes. But they, like all Americans, understand that the timid achieve nothing and forgo even that which sustains us through the worst of times: hope.

    The nature of Americans explains the precious opportunity that has drawn millions to these shores. The Declaration states that all men are endowed "with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

    Americans seek economic prosperity, leaving behind the resentment in other countries that is aimed at those who better their material condition. Throughout the world and throughout history, millions of individuals have endured poverty with dignity. But there is no inherent dignity in poverty. Individuals came to America to farm their own farms and run their own enterprises.

    I know alot of us Americans are mixed Europeans.I also know most modern Europeans dislike everything about America including its people.It does not matter how much European you can prove you are,you are still untermensch to some folks even though you share the same Germanic views on life.

  8. The Following User Says Thank You to OneWolf For This Useful Post:


  9. #5
    Senior Member
    Soten's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Last Online
    Sunday, August 19th, 2012 @ 11:39 PM
    Ethnicity
    American
    Ancestry
    English (50%), German (20%), Irish (12.5%), Lithuanian (12.5%), Scottish, Dutch, French
    Gender
    Religion
    Woden, Thunor, Frīg
    Posts
    1,120
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    44
    Thanked in
    44 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Lokies Domain View Post
    What is an American?
    An American is anyone who understands that achieving the best in life requires risks. Immigrants have no assurance of success in a new land with different habits, institutions and language. They leave friends, relatives and familiar places, often risking their lives to cross oceans and hostile country to reach their new homes. But they, like all Americans, understand that the timid achieve nothing and forgo even that which sustains us through the worst of times: hope.

    The nature of Americans explains the precious opportunity that has drawn millions to these shores. The Declaration states that all men are endowed "with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

    Americans seek economic prosperity, leaving behind the resentment in other countries that is aimed at those who better their material condition. Throughout the world and throughout history, millions of individuals have endured poverty with dignity. But there is no inherent dignity in poverty. Individuals came to America to farm their own farms and run their own enterprises.

    I know alot of us Americans are mixed Europeans.I also know most modern Europeans dislike everything about America including its people.It does not matter how much European you can prove you are,you are still untermensch to some folks even though you share the same Germanic views on life.
    Did you read the opening post? Do you have any idea of what is being discussed here? Or did you just see the question "What is an American?"?

  10. #6
    Moderator
    Resist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Last Online
    @
    Ethnicity
    Anglo-Canadian
    Subrace
    Nordid
    Country
    Canada Canada
    State
    Ontario Ontario
    Gender
    Age
    50
    Family
    Married parent
    Politics
    Nationalist
    Religion
    Agnostic
    Posts
    295
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    147
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    382
    Thanked in
    207 Posts
    I edited the thread title to expand on the topic of this thread precisely to avoid misunderstandings, but it seems it hasn't worked. Let's avoid off-topics in future. Please read the original post and comment on it.

  11. The Following User Says Thank You to Resist For This Useful Post:


  12. #7
    Funding Member
    „Friend of Germanics”
    Funding Membership Inactive
    Bleyer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Last Online
    @
    Ethnicity
    German
    Country
    Other Other
    State
    Transylvania Transylvania
    Gender
    Family
    Married
    Politics
    Ethnocentrism
    Religion
    Tradition
    Posts
    147
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    134
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    174
    Thanked in
    65 Posts
    Except there is no such thing as an American race...

  13. #8
    Funding Member
    „Friend of Germanics”
    Funding Membership Inactive
    Nachtengel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last Online
    @
    Ethnicity
    German
    Gender
    Posts
    6,361
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    198
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,150
    Thanked in
    665 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Bleyer View Post
    Except there is no such thing as an American race...
    Race is sometimes used interchangeably with people, nation, ethnicity, etc.

  14. The Following User Says Thank You to Nachtengel For This Useful Post:


  15. #9
    Senior Member
    Soten's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Last Online
    Sunday, August 19th, 2012 @ 11:39 PM
    Ethnicity
    American
    Ancestry
    English (50%), German (20%), Irish (12.5%), Lithuanian (12.5%), Scottish, Dutch, French
    Gender
    Religion
    Woden, Thunor, Frīg
    Posts
    1,120
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    44
    Thanked in
    44 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Bleyer View Post
    Except there is no such thing as an American race...
    The article deals with the founding racial stock of the US. In this instance "race" is likely being used to mean something like "ethnic group".

    Arguments have been made suggesting that the founding old stock population of the US went through at least some stages of ethnogenesis, and therefore constitute (or would have eventually constituted) a unique ethnicity.

  16. The Following User Says Thank You to Soten For This Useful Post:


  17. #10
    Member
    Crazyhorse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Online
    Friday, June 10th, 2011 @ 09:11 PM
    Ethnicity
    Anglo-American
    Ancestry
    Anglo/Danish/Jutland
    Subrace
    Nordid
    Country
    United States United States
    State
    Kansas Kansas
    Gender
    Family
    Married
    Occupation
    Serve Others
    Politics
    Common Sense
    Religion
    Christian
    Posts
    43
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1
    Thanked in
    1 Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lokies Domain View Post
    What is an American?
    An American is anyone who understands that achieving the best in life requires risks. Immigrants have no assurance of success in a new land with different habits, institutions and language. They leave friends, relatives and familiar places, often risking their lives to cross oceans and hostile country to reach their new homes. But they, like all Americans, understand that the timid achieve nothing and forgo even that which sustains us through the worst of times: hope.

    The nature of Americans explains the precious opportunity that has drawn millions to these shores. The Declaration states that all men are endowed "with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

    Americans seek economic prosperity, leaving behind the resentment in other countries that is aimed at those who better their material condition. Throughout the world and throughout history, millions of individuals have endured poverty with dignity. But there is no inherent dignity in poverty. Individuals came to America to farm their own farms and run their own enterprises.

    I know alot of us Americans are mixed Europeans.I also know most modern Europeans dislike everything about America including its people.It does not matter how much European you can prove you are,you are still untermensch to some folks even though you share the same Germanic views on life.
    And in the sense well quoted above, I am of the personal belief it is the ultimate expression of "Viking"/Scandanavian principles and beliefs - launch to discover a new world, burn the ships upon landing, and forge your own destiny... My ancestor came from Denmark in the 1840s, earned an honest wage after learning English, bought his own farm/land when he could afford it, was a Confederate Guerrilla fighter when over-zealous Union Cavalry unnecessarily and repetitively destroyed his property, and spent time in Elmira Prison NY after his capture. Once paroled and released from the POW camp in 1865, he pulled up his boot straps, sucked it up, walked almost a thousand miles South to reunite with his family, re-occupied his farm/land, and restarted his life - living to an old age and leaving many offspring to carry on his legacy. This is not naive idealism, it is about real people and their struggle to be free and liberated, and it's the meaning of true Americanism; theoretically not tied to race, more an attitude or expression with deep roots in Northern Europe, but availble for anyone who is honest and wants to make a better life for themselves - ethos is grounded in a 'rugged frontierism' towards every aspect of life, the only easy day was yesterday, and the future is an endless horizon full of promises for those willing to dare. Do not be offended - If that is too "Ugly" for our international brothers and sisters, then they do not understand that this opportunity which was forged by our American forefathers is available to them with open arms - so I offer you a ship with a torch on the other end; I would gladly call any reasonable person (regardless of your country of origin), who wanted to share in the liberties and opportunities we enjoy in our native country here in North America, a fellow citizen... always a privilege to welcome folks as such.

  18. The Following User Says Thank You to Crazyhorse For This Useful Post:


Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 39
    Last Post: Friday, September 4th, 2020, 02:16 AM
  2. Replies: 2
    Last Post: Saturday, May 23rd, 2020, 04:30 AM
  3. Replies: 11
    Last Post: Wednesday, August 15th, 2012, 07:14 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •