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    Rhodesia/Zimbabwe/Namibia...

    Where to post articles and videos about these places? In the South Africa section, is that acceptable?

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    Hmm, I suggest the creation of new section named "Other Germanic Lands" or something like this. It could include articles about other lands like Greenland, Orkney Islands, Aland Islands and more, to whom dedicating a section for each would be too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    Hmm, I suggest the creation of new section named "Other Germanic Lands" or something like this.
    Rhodesia, Zimbabwe or Namibia are no Germanic lands by any means.
    It could include articles about other lands like Greenland, Orkney Islands, Aland Islands and more, to whom dedicating a section for each would be too much.
    I think our "Germanic Enclaves" section is the perfect place for such articles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thusnelda View Post
    Rhodesia, Zimbabwe or Namibia are no Germanic lands by any means.
    Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) used to be similar to what South Africa is today, and South Africa is included as a Germanic land as far as I see. Unfortunately, the Negroes took power over the Whites and turned it into a cesspoll.

    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=131056

    I think our "Germanic Enclaves" section is the perfect place for such articles.
    An enclave is a Germanic community present within a country/territory/land which is predominantly and usually officially non-Germanic, where germanics have the status of ethnic minorities. These are territories where Germanic languages and cultures are on the same level with the others, just that in some cases, like Greenland, the Germanic population is outnumbered by the Inuit one. But it's not as though Afrikaners outnumber Negroes in South Africa either.

    If no independent section for "other" is made, I think they would belong in the respective sections like Denmark (Greenland), Scotland (Orkney Islands), Sweden (Aland Islands), etc., but Germanic enclaves is inappropriate to place them in, with maybe the exception of Rhodesia and Namibia, if you count the New World as rightfully aboriginal and the settlers immigrants/diaspora. But saying the Orkney Islands or Greenland are Germanic enclaves is like saying Germany is suddenly a 'Germanic enclave' if the Muslim population outnumbered the German one. Not only ridiculous, but also offensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    If no independent section for "other" is made, I think they would belong in the respective sections like Denmark (Greenland), Scotland (Orkney Islands), Sweden (Aland Islands), etc.,
    Greenland's Germanic community supposedly essentially died out in the 16th century, reasons unknown. Those that remain are largely 19th and 20th century additions and usually scientists, or there for another dedicated reason. Studies about them should go into Extinct Germanic Groups.

    I don't see a reason why Orkney and Shetland should not be placed with Scotland. So they used to be part of Denmark until gifted to Scotland more than a few centuries ago. There is however not really the idea of an Orcadian or Shetlander national identity. They feel like particularly Norse-influenced Scots, and if they relocate it's usually to the Scottish mainland. And for the Norse and Saxon influences, that exists on the entire East Coast as well. The only ones who actually believe Orkney or Shetland should be particularly seperate are oft those who believe in the myth of "All-Celtic Scotland", which we of course don't. And we certainly don't have the Scotland section for the Celtic part of its heritage. As such, the distinction is artificial IMHO. Threads should go into Scotland

    Aaland is actually part of the Finnish state since 1923, League of Nations be "thanked". Therefore it should either be put with Sweden to make an ethnic statement, or alternatively indeed into the Germanic Enclaves section, certainly put it where you would put information on (other) Finlandswedes, IMHO.
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    By the way, I'm confused seeing threads about South Tyrol in the German Lands section rather than in the Germanic Enclaves one. I find South Tyrol to be the most obvious example of an enclave, fully fitting its definition:
    "an enclosed territory that is culturally distinct from the foreign territory that surrounds it".

    Since the sections are styled after countries and their provinces, I think it would be correct to stick to the respective criteria.

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    If you want to make an ethnic statement what's the point of a Germanic enclaves section to begin with? Then move all the threads about ethnic Germans, about Alsace-Lorraine, the Sudetenland, East Prussia and others to the German section too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resist View Post
    By the way, I'm confused seeing threads about South Tyrol in the German Lands section rather than in the Germanic Enclaves one.
    It's not enclosed in another country, it's simply a bordering area which was unrightfully capped from German lands. It's no more an enclave than if let's say Michigan was given to Canada. It fails by the international definition of an Enclave.

    For example, San Marino would be an enclave of Italy; the municipality of Büsingen both an exclave of Germany and an enclave of Switzerland. However, the municipality of Jungholz would not be an exclave of Tyrol or an enclave of Bavarian Swabia, even though it's only connected at one imaginarily small point.

    South Tyrol also, did not exist as such before 1919. The point to distinguish between Nordtirol, Osttirol and Südtirol only arose after this division. Welschtirol for granted was already named that before, because that's where the Italians lived pre-1919 already. Before that, Südtirol was a part, actually the heartland of the Gefürstete Grafschaft Tirol since 1200-something. Schloß Tirol is actually in South Tyrol.

    Of course one could argue that proper enclaves, such as Siebenbürgen Saxons were once in a Germanic-governed country. Here, however the difference is, that there is no continuous settlement, you're essentially there speaking of pockets enclosed fully by another ethnicity, and at this stage, fully enclosed by another state. They're not bordering a Germanic state.
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    As if Prussia was rightfully capped. None of the stolen German territories were rightfully given to their occupants. So why differentiate and treat preferentially? As Todesengel said, put them all in the German section, simple.

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