The Truth Will Be Revealed

[rainman]

Somehow the subject will go into why we need an occult aspect to our movement.

Okay guys I just wanted to demonstrate my genius because I find many examples of such.
This is based on a study done in 1970 and I recently read about it in a common psychology magazine and also in a college psychology book. Here’s the rule: If a card has a vowel on one side, then it has an even number on the other side. You must set out to see if this rule is true. Here are the cards presented to you. Which ones do you choose? E,K,4, 7. You can only flip over 2 cards. Explain your answer. I will give further details in a day or two.

Unless I'm totally mistaken (and my secondary sources are) that is how the question is presented isn't it?

[rainman]

Man you guys are lame! lol I'll give you an example: when I first looked at this problem I said I would choose the E and the 4. This is the most common answer. My reasoning is if you flip the E and see an odd number it disproves the statement, an even number will confirm it. That's the easy one. 4 not as sure about but if you see a vowel on the other side it confirms the statement as well. Therefore those two choices would give me a 98% certaintity that the statement is true.

Anyway I wanted you guys to give your guesses before I moved on to my point lol

[Ocko]

I am 99 % sure you aren't sure 98%

[Ocko]

Here is one for you:

You want to go to Aurich (ostfriesland) and you come to a fork in the way. You don't know which way to go. At the fork are living 2 sisters, one is always saying the truth the other is always lying. How can you be 98 percent sure which way to take?

[GroeneWolf]

Man you guys are lame!

No I just did not have time to post my response to this tread.

If I have read correctly if one side of the card has a vowel the other side has to have an even number. However it does not say an non-vowel should have an odd number on the other side. It just says that a vowel should have an even number on the other side. It says nothing about non-vowels. So they could have an even or an odd number on the other side.

So I would take E and 7. Namely E for the same reason as you. But I did not choice four because if I reason correctly that would not be relevant. However if 7 has a vowel on the other side it would disprove the rule.

[Vindefense]

To prove it true you must also set out to prove it's contradiction. You can only do that by picking one of each. A vowel and an odd number.

[rainman]

You both gave the "correct" answer. Which when I read that I was like ok I see. Then a couple days later I thought about it and was like- that isn't right. Studies have shown people do have confirmation bias- which is they try to prove what they believe rather than set out to disprove it and that was the point of this question. Yet as I said the wording seems off and I can only be 98% certain at best on things.

Then I thought there is not enough information. The assumption here is that all letters have numbers on the other side and all numbers have letters. That's why I kept looking at the question to see if it stated that- but it doesn't. Every card might have an even number on the other side. Odd numbers might have even numbers as well as vowels. Therefore we cannot be totally certain with the information given, though I would think it would be about as safe to assume one thing as it would be the other. If I confirm the rule with an E and the 4 it seems just as safe a bet as your guy's choice, in fact somewhat safer. There is less assumption in my bet, it simply confirms what was stated even though there could be exeptions to the rule.

This got me thinking about I.Q. tests and school tests. I've similarly occasionally ran into questions like that on tests. They tend to be multiple choice questions so you can't state your argument and there often is no correct answer or the correct answer is marked wrong etc. And unless I'm totally missing something I know I'm logically corect. Which got me thinking on several other points: I have found philosophical points and genetic points and such written in college textbooks andor written suposedly by the best and brightest our society has and I've found reasoning flaws in it.

Unless I'm totally blind I think our society is irrational and not well thought out much like the above question. I'm not really a genius so why is it that I can see obvious flaws in many statements like that? Also on tests- how can you do well on tests when the correct answer is marked wrong?

One other example: I read in a college anatomy & physiology book about genetics and evolution. It was talking about why would long life be useful genetically- it has no use. Why would living past the reproductive age increase the chance of survival of your genes? I'm like umm- we aren't individuals people live in communities. How can a PHD geniuse who writes these books and their editors miss such blaringly obvious things? There are other examples but let's not waste time.

That's why I got the point of the occult. Most people are idiots. The uber man has reasoning and leadership abilities. He can see through deception. Sheeple simply take facts told to them and repeat them. Their "intelligence" rests on the ability to memorize or learn a task and repeat it. It does not lie in the ability to analyze, think, create and lead. This is the creative spark. This is why we decieve- the rational intelligent person will see through the deception- the irrational will not.

Increasingly I see the reason for hidden societies, occult circles etc. I also am becoming more Jew like. I feel like preaching Marxism to the masses and teaching my own children the opposite. Why? Because I'm responsible for my own people first but second- if you give an idiot advanced knowledge- consider if I say something really intelligent- the idiot will just memorize it and repeat it and take credit for it himself. It becomes difficult to seperate the truly smart from the people who can just memorize. Yet if I decieve and put puzzles and logical fallacies before people's eyes the truly noble will solve those puzzles- see through the deception etc. and the morons will repeat what they are told thinking themselves correct.

I'm just starting to see the bigger picture. I think our movement should be like an iceberg- a small cap visible to the public. This help recruit people who may be on the fence or at least help to feed people who are seeking to better themselves, but most of it should be underwater or underground- working in the shadows. In many ways it is a mirror of Judaism I guess- folkish/National Socialist beliefs.

But really there is no other way to find true leaders other than to test them. To test them the truth cannot be common knowledge.

[Thusnelda]

This is based on a study done in 1970 and I recently read about it in a common psychology magazine and also in a college psychology book. Here’s the rule: If a card has a vowel on one side, then it has an even number on the other side. You must set out to see if this rule is true. Here are the cards presented to you. Which ones do you choose? E,K,4, 7. You can only flip over 2 cards.

Here is one for you:

You want to go to Aurich (ostfriesland) and you come to a fork in the way. You don't know which way to go. At the fork are living 2 sisters, one is always saying the truth the other is always lying. How can you be 98 percent sure which way to take?

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I know I´m bad in logics and mathematics but I´m feeling completely stupid now. I don´t get it at all. There´s only a big "What?" in my head. Mind to explain it for the non-brainiacs of us?

[rainman]

Okay the flaw in the question and supposed "right" answer that I gave is that you could flip over the K and reveal a vowel! Therefore the question is unsolvable. The person asking the question assumed that every letter has a number on the other side and every number has a letter. This question has been repeated in psychological journals, college textbooks etc. for the past 30+ years and none of these phds have caught this flaw! I find situations like this all the time. They would have to restate the question.

Other than that it's a straight forward question. You have four cards, you must determine if the statement is true that every vowel has an even number on the other side- you can only choose two cards. If we add the fact that all letters have numbers and vice versa then the correct answer would be to flip E and the 7, not the E and the 4 because the 4 reveals nothing. The statement said nothing that even numbers must have vowels on the other side. It could have an odd number and still would not prove anything. However if you flip the 7 over and it has a vowel on the other side you disproved the statement and can say with 100% certainty that it is false.

The two sisters is a common question I've heard before. You ask "Tell me which way your sister would point me". The liar would point the wrong way because her sister would point the right way. The honest person would point the wrong way because her sister would point the wrong way.

I recomend in my Asatru book that people do mathematical problems and problems of logic like this everyday. Chess and other such games also exercises this part of the mind. What you have to do is essentially visualize different possibilities and work out logic in your head. Most non-Aryans find this impossible almost all the time (other than Jews who are good at it). All people have this ability but its greatly diminished in people who aren't white. Usually people with high foreheads will be more likely to be good at such- the pre-frontal cortexa and frontal cortex in general is mostly associated with logic and higher reasoning. If you notice no race on earth has the high foreheads of Aryans other than those mixed with Aryan (I'm seeing some blacks with such now). Though on rare occasions people with relatively average foreheads may have higher reasoning ability- its not 100% correlation but a fairly strong one. This is where the old phrase "high brow" came from. In the past the nobility and intellectuals had high foreheads (or brows) and the dumb peasants lacked any significant forehead. Most asians are good at math mainly because they memorize procedures but faced with a new and challenging problem they falter. Though all of us- if we don't exercise logic we are not as good at it. The brain is like a muscle. Mainly though if you don't exercise it when you are young its hard to get good at it when older. I think this is why the powers that be have taken math and reasoning out of the classroom- one to dumb us down but two to make females and minorities more equal. Yeah that's right females typically have dimished ability at these type of questions as well (they are wired differently females are better at other tasks- like vocabulary, memorization etc.). Modern school is biased against white males and towards memorization (look at all the trivia we are bombarded with on TV and in school- what year was abe lincoln born etc. but how many questions of logic do you see?) You can always find exeptions but I mean most of the time. And this is why minorities and women seldom invent anything new. This skill of reasoning and visualizing situations in your head goes hand in hand with inventiveness and creativity.

Play chess :-) I suck at chess though, I can never find anyone to play with but I also grow impatient when there are not good moves. Though again chess relies a lot on experience and memorizing outcomes once you've played it a lot.

[Vindefense]

Ha ha, your over analyzing the problem. It is a simple logical assessment. Don't overlook the fact that nothing was ever said about consonants and the K could have anything behind it and it will not effect the rule, including a vowel or an even number. The statement is not an absolute truth but it can be true some of the time.

Picture it like this.

If a person drinks wine then they like grapes.

drinks wine is the vowel
likes grapes is the even number
dosen't drink wine is the consonant
dosen't like grapes is the odd number

Obviously the reverse is not always true someone may like grapes but not drink wine. They can not be interchanged. The statement is only true if the contradiction (doesn't like grapes) is false. Those who don't drink wine are irrelevant.


This is why you have to check the 7 card. The statement can only be true if and only if the 7 card does not prove it wrong. Um.. I think.