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    I just got back from watching Avatar. I think the movie could have been redeemed (bad dialogue, cliche plot, ect...) if in the end the blue alien natives (Na'vi I think lol) were just given casinos.

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    Yes, but these kind of movies focus on the neo-con world of extreme capitalism, banks, exploitation of nature and animals etc.

    What would be good would be a movie where the Na'vi's are traditional Germanics and these neo-con hamburger people attack them.

    That would really bring things into focus.

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    The movie juxtaposes Westernism (the multiracial mining operation) with an uneducated glorification of the exotic (embodied by an alien people of magical Negro-Amerindian Wiccans), which is typically Western as well.

    In fact, I would not be surprised if there were Western morons who are now dreaming of becoming Na'vi. Don't worry, though, just let them watch Baz Luhrmann's "Australia" and they will want to be Aboriginal Wizards instead. It all really depends on the latest movie they have seen.

    "Avatar" correctly identifies Westernism as an insanity to be cured, but the cure offered is simply another version of Westernism, bought on the market of New Age spirituality where native traditions are reduced to meaninglessness.

    The need to honour one's own roots and to gain independence from the universalist paradigm is never even mentioned as a possibility. No one noticed that they used to belong to a forest people as well, no one wondered how they came to be such failures and no one suggested the possibility of walking better paths. No, the solution can only be prostration before alien cultures and ultimate self-alienation.

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    David Dukes assessment of the movie Avatar

    ......Like previous films with a White hero fighting alongside the oppressed natives such as “Dances with Wolves”, “Avatar” had racist, anti-White undertones. Only this time, instead of horses there were flying creatures (plus free 3D glasses). Ironically, Avatar was criticized as being racist by the media—not because of its clandestine negative portrayal or European civilization, but because the hero was White! Apparently having a White hero is beginning to be a little too much to handle anymore, even if the character is portrayed as hero for betraying his own people.

    Actually the film is a not-so-subtle hate film against Europeans. Third Worlders will invariably identify with the Na’ vi people being exploited and genocided by Europeans. It is true that the movie has a subtle racial strike against the non-Europeans by saying it takes a European to lead them, the worst aspect of the film is its impact on the vast number of European-American audiences that see the film. The real target of the film is not simply to inflame non-Whites around the world, which of course it does, its real target is to destroy our own people’s will to preserve our heritage and freedom.

    Having the hero be a White man who betrays his own people sends a not-so-subtle message to millions of Whites both young and old. If you really want to be a good guy, a hero, you have to do the right thing and betray your race and fight on the side of the other races. Of course, with massive immigration and high birthrates of non-Europeans into every European homeland, it is we who are being ethnically cleansed, not some Third World tribe. In fact the highest birthrates in the world are in non-White nations, while Europeans are being reduced to a minority in their own homelands. Their demise is not some evolutionary cleansing by a more advanced people, but the elimination and replacement of a great people, not by some sort of excellence or demonstration of ability – other than the ability to make a lot of babies.

    One of the most troublesome aspects of the movie in my mind, and the motivation behind this article, was how the film propagated the myth of the Noble Savage. In a nutshell, the ‘myth of the Noble Savage’ is the belief that the mind of man is a blank slate at birth—pure, noble, spiritually connected to nature, and naturally caring toward other creatures. It is modern society, the environment, and European civilization in particular that lead to violence and debasement of this once innocent blank slate. In the real world, heredity, not the environment plays the key role in human and animal behavior, but that is beside the point at the moment. Is lack of medicine, literacy, the beauty of the higher arts, the advances of sciences really such a wonderful thing? Are we to prefer illiteracy and superstition over intellect and enlightenment?

    Nowadays, it is often not worth it to spend too much time dissecting a movie. We have become accustomed of what to expect. But with “Avatar”, the media has admitted to some of the negative effects of this film that are important enough to address. A CNN article titled “Audiences experience ‘Avatar‘ blues” (http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movi...ues/index.html) mentions several cases of people becoming depressed and in some cases suicidal after watching it. This is probably more widespread than reported. According to the report, the breathtaking, artistic depiction of the planet Pandora has made people long for an unattainable utopia and become depressed and pessimistic, especially when they are presented with such a negative portrayal of our civilization.

    It may come as a surprise to many people, but I believe that this sort of pessimism is precisely the desired effect that the director and the Jewish dominated movie industry have in mind. They simply do not want people to think positive thoughts about European culture and our world as a whole. The purpose is to demoralize. The propaganda in the movie may have been subtle, and even indirect at times, which makes it more difficult to counter, and the conditioning all the more effective.

    Obviously, movies are just that. Movies. They are often designed to implant ideas in people’s minds and we should always be aware of that, no matter how much a film may move us. Movies should be a hobby, a diversion, and a source of enjoyment. I for one try not to take them seriously and this especially goes for movies churned out by Hollywood. But, the danger of films like Avatar is not its overt propaganda; it is the effect of the film on a subconscious level. As reported, even though the “hero” wins in the end, Avatar is ultimately depressing because of the flickers of self-hate it instills in many. It is depressing for me because as I watched the film, I realize that this fictional film is one more blow against our own sense of self-preservation as a people.
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    I was dragged to see this horrendous PoS movie by my parents and I could barely selt through it. It felt like I was in a liberal anti-White ideology indoctrination camp. The anti-white aspect is obvious to anyone who remotely knows anything about the movie
    The part where the "bad guy" yelled out "How does it feel to betray your race" made me literally gasp right in the theater.

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    The Blue People: AVATAR Race Fantasy

    By Dr. David A. Yeagley

    James Cameron’s movie sensation, AVATAR, is about race, obviously. In a classic venue of white man versus nature, the white man is made the traditional enemy of the environment and its more natural, morally superior habitants–persons of color. This is such a basic, anti-white fantasy, one has to wonder at the implications of the movie’s success. Are there that many non-whites in America, or, Are there that many guilt-mongering whites in America? Perhaps it is a combination of both audiences. Combine that ‘liberal’ moral appeal with the compulsive lure of computerized, extravagant “photo-shop” creativity, and the stepped-up 1960 “Thirteen Ghosts” movie glasses, and you have an irresistible movie, the third most successful in history, in fact, and still climbing.

    But now, what about the “persons of color” bit? If the white man is the enemy, which non-white race gets to be the hero? Ah, here we have the real crux of the matter. Who will the white man–the movie makers–select as the star of the show? Whom does the great evil white man regard as the supreme race of color?

    What color is the person of color? Obviously, the movie selects the American Indian as the “character,” but, the white man cannot bring himself to declare the colored winner. The white man must somehow hide specifics in a mesh, a haze–a blue haze, a heavenly blue haze. This way, the competition is avoided. And the pitiable Negro is blended in to share the honor of the Indian, as are the other colored people. This is really more about hiding the Negro. There is no single hero now. All persons of color are the same. All are included in the general image of the American Indian. This is the trick, and one being played nicely by the George Soros’ funded documentary division of Robert Redford’s Sundance Institute. The thrust of mixing all non-whites into one color has been a fantasy of white liberals for a long time. It’s just now becoming obvious and undeniable to the public. All races of the world that are not white are graciously included under the general auspices of the “Native American.”

    Not a position ever conceived of or desired by American Indians, such a fantasy racial mix, in the beautiful, heavenly color of blue, does give the liberal white racist the ingenious and luxurious opportunity to not only hide the unwanted black man, and all other races, but honor them all with the status of the American Indian–symbol of the American White Anglo-Saxon Protestant’s “chief” racial encounter, so to speak, the one he had to fight–the Red Man.

    Interestingly, even those who have objected to the film have not noted this deeper issue of white racism toward other races. Veterans have protested the role in which they are cast in AVATAR; Chicago Alderman James Balcer thinks the movie is anti-military and anti-American. (Shannon Bell has a great blog on this.) This is all perfectly legitimate, but, the critics fail to see the true objection to the movie–its racism of white liberals who want all persons of color to be equal to the same “blue” race.

    But, even in their juxtaposition of the “lunatic” white race, the liberals are still unwilling to consider the white race a race at all. This is the profound blind spot in white thinking, certainly liberal white thinking. White people are not willing to consider themselves a race. “Race” pertains to all other people, all people of color. (The minute a white man considers “white” a “racist,” he is suddenly a white racist! And that’s the evilist of all evils! So say the liberals and their attorneys.)

    Indeed, “minority” refers to people of color. Even though dooms day liberal whites are happily predicting that somehere in the near future the white people will be in the “minority,” they still do not consider themselves a “race,” or a minority–in the racial sense. They are simply above race. They are not race. Whites are the un-race. Race and minority pertain only to us darkies of the world. This is most interesting.

    American Indians, perhaps by proxy, in the WASP history of America, are the chosen “race,” to represent all other races. AVATAR of course is delighted to blend the Negro into the “blue” Indian race, using Wes Studi (Cherokee) as a chief and Zoe Saldana (Negress) and Laz Alonzo (Negro) as blue “natives.” But no one is ever willing to object to this kind of association.

    No one but BadEagle.com.

    We have questioned from the beginning this compulsion of the liberal whites, and even conservative whites, to beggingly, insistantly associate the Negro with the Indian. What is solved, in the white psyche, by blending the two, politically, legally, and now, technologically? What does the white man gain by this manoeuver? It is about psychological convenience? Is it some natural management in the mind? Some grand mal of Gestalt psychology?

    If I may say, American Indians with any pride left hotly object to being considered the same as other races. Liberal “equality” is a ploy to demean, diminish, and destroy race. No self-conscious Indian will ever accept such nonsense. Our fathers died that we might be who we are. Only truly liberalized, “dumb” Indians would ever give it away. Protesting the Washington Redskins is giving it away. How so? It’s behaving like the American black has been taught to behave (by white liberals). It is imitating social tactics designed for black people.

    Finally, the Vatican didn’t like AVATAR, either, but for a different reason. The fathers fear that man is too apt to worship nature. Of course, the European catholic tradition has always been about bringing nature under the service of man. So, does that mean the Pope doesn’t like American Indians? The Indian is America’s closest link to the land, supplying the one thing the white man here will never, ever have–the sense of natural home. The white man therefore ever aggrandizes the American Indian in the collective white American conscious. I doubt the Pope could ever undo that structure. However, there may need to be some clarification on just what “nature” we’re talking about here.

    As a Comanche, I haven’t inherited a “mother earth” psyche. There are tribes to present this as their mantra, but, I don’t think the “mother” bit is in their linguistic regard for the earth. This needs to be carefully researched. I am not convinced that “mother earth” is an authentic, universal aspect of American Indian religion. At all. In this sense, AVATAR is not only racially denigrating to American Indians, but also a serious misrepresentation of Indian religion. It is a misinterpretation of a generalization, and as such, is prejudicial.

    Nevertheless, AVATAR is a great example of the enduring psychology of race, religion, and politics. The stereotypes are a reliable constant, and the lessons, still unlearned, are compounded by the daring, explicit destruction of “race.” That is, if you are a non-white “minority.” You’re a blue, now. Doesn’t that make everyone happy? It means the Negroes aren’t black, and the white conscience is altogether soothed, while whites are still white, if “bad.”

    http://www.badeagle.com/2010/01/19/t...-race-fantasy/

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    I saw the movie in terms of who has the right to the planet and its resources. That said, I found it totally unrealistic. The resources under the holy tree were "the largest within 200 km". If the humans are capable of interstellar travel, why on earth would they find it necessary to exterminate the aboriginal population instead of moving the base? I found that it was yet another example of the romanticization of the "pure savage", and also the romanticization of nature as a perfect being.

    That said, the special effects were great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DominionsWolf View Post
    I saw the movie in terms of who has the right to the planet and its resources. That said, I found it totally unrealistic. The resources under the holy tree were "the largest within 200 km". If the humans are capable of interstellar travel, why on earth would they find it necessary to exterminate the aboriginal population instead of moving the base?
    True, it was one of the major logical fallacies, weaknesses in the story.

    Yet thats typical for most of the Sci-Fi movies I know of, they all are in one way or another, for a better or a worse reason, anachronistic in their feeling.

    Its like it is with "the crippled superhuman" in GATTACA - I mean if you are able to screen and manipulate the genome that easily, you can also do a little bit more about paraplegia, but then what else could they have done to the "genetically superiour" to show the audience that the "natural" is the better one?

    Typical Hollywoodesque style.

    One could have done a realistic movie about the very same experiences in a foreign world without all the conflict and so on, but again, that would have resulted in a less action-leaning movie and obviously, thats not what Hollywood needs.

    But again, judging this movie too hard is simply unfair if looking at the rest of the productions we get flooded with, of which so many have a much more unhealthy and distorted message for the people, than this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    In fact, I would not be surprised if there were Western morons who are now dreaming of becoming Na'vi.
    http://www.avatar-forums.com/

    don't think I'd get much sleep. I'd spend all night feeling her beautiful, smooth blue skin, her ears, her tail...
    Looking at her beautiful face...
    With her arms round me, gently holding me against her, with her tail wrapped around my legs...
    I'd lie there with her, feeling her beautiful body and gently kissing her...
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    I probably shouldn't do this, but the last 10 seconds (among others) really made me laugh: http://www.kontraband.com/videos/216...isconsin/#show
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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