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    Christianity, not a Religion for Europe?

    Why is it that some people are saying that christianity is not a religion for Europe?

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    Post Re: Christianity and europe

    Quote Originally Posted by jesusfreak
    Why is it that some people are saying that christianity is not a religion for Europe?
    Quite simple, because it's a jewish religion.

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    Post Re: Christianity and europe

    Quote Originally Posted by N.E.V.I.E.N.
    Quite simple, because it's a jewish religion.
    No it isnt. Just within 20 years of Jesus' death the church became an European institution, and by the time St. Paul wrote his letters the vast majority of Christians were Europeans. All its major theologians were European, all its major developments occured in Europe.


    http://www.stormfront.org/whitenat/religion.html

    The West and Christianity Synonymous

    It is a fact, which Christians will regard with satisfaction and some atheists may deplore, that Western civilization in the sense that the great majority of the people belonging to it (though never, at any time, ALL of them) believed implicitly in the truth of the Christian revelation. That religious unanimity was for a long time so nearly complete that, after the fall of the Roman Empire and the evanescence of hopes for its restoration, we of the West regarded our religion as the bond that united us and distinguished us from the rest of the human species.

    During the Middle Ages, our ancestors occupied the greater part of Europe, and, until they discovered the American continents, they lived only in Europe, but despite that geographical unity, they did not generally refer to themselves as the Europeans. For all practical purposes, furthermore, our ancestors belonged to the same division of the White race: they, like the true Greeks and the true Romans before them, were all members of the great race that we now call Indo-European or Aryan, but they had in their languages no word to designate their blood relationship and biological unity. Thus, when they referred to the unity of which they were always conscious as something transcending the constantly shifting territorial and political divisions of Europe, they called themselves Christendom. And for many centuries that word was adequate and misled no one.

    For many centuries the West was Christendom and its civilization was indubitably Christian: that, whether you like it or not, is an historical fact. There is a complementary historical fact that was less obvious at the time and that even thoughtful men overlooked or tried to ignore until the events of the past two decades made it indubitable: Christianity is a religion of the West, and, for all practical purposes, ONLY of the west. It is not, as its polemical adversaries so often charge, a Semitic cult, for it has never commanded the adhesion of any considerable number of [Semites], and it is not, as Christians once generally believed, a universal religion, for experience has now proved that it cannot be successfully exported to populations that are not Indo-European.

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    Post Re: Christianity and europe

    Quote Originally Posted by jesusfreak
    Why is it that some people are saying that christianity is not a religion for Europe?
    They believe that Christianity is essentially Jewish in origin, and in their desire to remove poisonous Jewish influence from their lives they despise Christianity and believe in ignoring 2000 years of European Christendom in order to revert to the paganistic practises of our ancient ancestors. In this romantised vision, they believe they will return to some kind of Aryan purity.

    I understand what the are trying to do, but their thinking is flawed.
    They must ignore some facts in order to square this line of thinking with reason, including the facts that Christianity is essentially a rejection of what Judaism had become, Europe thrived under Christianity for millenia and in that time surpassed all other peoples, that they are turning on Christianity just like the Jews have been encouraging them and decieving them to do for centuries, etc.

    They are mostly not malicious, they sincerely believe they are doing the right thing and are even frustrated at us "poor decieved Christians" for being unable to see what appears to be obvious to them.

    Ultimately, they have mistaken a symptom for a solution

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    Post Re: Christianity and europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    No it isnt. Just within 20 years of Jesus' death the church became an European institution, and by the time St. Paul wrote his letters the vast majority of Christians were Europeans. All its major theologians were European, all its major developments occured in Europe.
    O yes it is.

    Look christianity is more than the new testament, the old testament is also connected with christianity. Whit all respect I don't think you know the bibel very good. The new testament is a jewish book, look to what paul writes about the jews. Jezus says in the beginning that he is on earth only for the jewish people...

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    What do you know about the bible? You can't even spell Jesus right. You don't have your facts straight. The Jews didn't even know their own word. They did not see that Jesus fufilled all 206 prophecies of the Old Testimate. They still don't. Christianity and the Jewish faith are two different religions. Jesus is the Son of the only Living God. All other Gods are False Idols. What do you believe?

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    Post Re: Christianity and europe

    Why is it that some people are saying that christianity is not a religion for Europe?
    It didn't originate there but that doesn't mean it can't be considered "European". In terms of impact Christianity was the greatest force in shaping Europe.

    Christianity is a missionary religion. Unlike Judaism which you are basically born into. So I don't see how one can say Christianity can't be considered "European". It may have originated in the land of the Hebrews but a lot of it's evolution took place in Europe. Just take a look at the holidays of Christmas and Easter. Would you regard them as Jewish?

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    Post Re: Christianity and europe

    Quote Originally Posted by N.E.V.I.E.N.
    O yes it is.
    Ok lets see what you got.

    Look christianity is more than the new testament, the old testament is also connected with christianity.
    Yes it is, and your point is?


    "This is not an uncommon impression and one finds it sometimes among Jews as well as Christians - that Judaism is the religion of the Hebrew Bible. It is, of course, a fallacious impression. Judaism is not the religion of the Bible."
    --Rabbi Ben Zion Bokser Judaism and the Christian Predicament p. 59


    Whit all respect I don't think you know the bibel very good.
    I certainly do know alot about the Bible, and for decency sakes Ill ingore your poor spelling.

    The new testament is a jewish book,
    No it isnt, unless you can find some Rabbi or other Jewish scholar who saids it is.

    look to what paul writes about the jews.
    You mean like this quote from Paul's first letter to the Thessalonians:

    "The Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and have persecuted us, do not please God, and they are adversaries to all men, prohibiting us from speaking to the Gentiles that they may be saved, to fill up their sin always: for the wrath of God has come upon them to the end."


    Jezus says in the beginning that he is on earth only for the jewish people...
    Jesus states hes come for the lost tribes of Israel, not for the Jews. Even the Jewish Alamanac admits this:
    "Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew." The first Hebrews may not have been Jews at all..."

    Sorry you failed to convince me that Christianity is Jewish.

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    Post Re: Christianity and europe

    Quote Originally Posted by jesusfreak
    What do you know about the bible? You can't even spell Jesus right.
    almost everything ! LOL sorry for my english, I know even my french is better than my english... And that says a lot about my english...

    Quote Originally Posted by jesusfreak
    (A) They did not see that Jesus fufilled all 206 prophecies of the Old Testimate. They still don't. (B) Christianity and the Jewish faith are two different religions.
    I don't see how A proves that B is correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by jesusfreak
    Jesus is the Son of the only Living God.
    Prove it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    "This is not an uncommon impression and one finds it sometimes among Jews as well as Christians - that Judaism is the religion of the Hebrew Bible. It is, of course, a fallacious impression. Judaism is not the religion of the Bible."
    --Rabbi Ben Zion Bokser Judaism and the Christian Predicament p. 59
    And? what kind of proof gives the rabbi? I don't see any proof... But i am certain that he gives the proof in his book, but a don't have it in my possession... If you can be so kind to give some proof to me...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    and for decency sakes Ill ingore your poor spelling.
    Zucht, wat zeur je nu over mijn spelling?! Ga liever in op het inhoudelijke van mijn tekst. Bedankt!

    I don't think you can read this...
    Look in daily life I don't speak english (school not counted) I only speak dutch and french. So please a littel bit of understanding... thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    No it isnt, unless you can find some Rabbi or other Jewish scholar who saids it is.
    If we look at the tenach we see a lot of connections with the old testament...

    A) The tenach a1) Torah a2) Nevi'im a3) Ketoevim

    a1) genesis, exodus, leviticus, numbers and deuternonomy.
    a2) joshua, judges, samuel, kings, isaiah, jeremiah and ezkiel.
    a3) psalms, proverbs, job, ruth, song of songs, lamentations, ecclesiastes and esther.

    B) old testament. b1) the law b2) history b3) poetry and wisdom b4) prophets b5) small prophets

    b1) genesis, exodus, leviticus, numbers and deuternonomy
    b2) joshua, judges, ruth, 1 samuel, 2 samuel, 1 kings, 2 kings, 1 chronicels, 2 chronicels, ezra, nehemiah, esther.
    b3) job, psalms, proverbs, ecclesiastes, song of songs
    b4) isaiah, jeremiah, lamentations, ezekiel, daniel
    b5) hosea, joel, amos, obadiah, jonah, micah, nahum, habakkuk, zephaniah, haggai, zechariah, malachi

    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    You mean like this quote from Paul's first letter to the Thessalonians:
    No, Romans 2 verse 28 "... A man is not a jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from god."

    What do we see here? Judaism is from now spiritual, but it is still judaism. Each Christian is a jew, for affirmation of this, we look at romans 4 verse 11...
    "So then, he is the father (abraham) of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but also walk in the footsteps of the faith..."

    In the purest sense christianity is a form of judaism. Judaism is now spiritual.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    Jesus states hes come for the lost tribes of Israel, not for the Jews. Even the Jewish Alamanac admits this:
    "Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew." The first Hebrews may not have been Jews at all..."
    That has nothing to do with it.

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    Why is it that some people are saying that christianity is not a religion for Europe?
    Because I believe the religion is essentially Semitic and do not agree with many of its basic tenets.


    Just within 20 years of Jesus' death the church became an European institution, and by the time St. Paul wrote his letters the vast majority of Christians were Europeans. All its major theologians were European, all its major developments occured in Europe.
    More or less true, but let me ask you something; can you name a single Biblical book that wasn't written by a Semite? I don't think you can, and that makes the foundation of the religion Semitic, no matter what was later constructed upon it. I have repeatedly stated that Medieval monotheism was a hybrid religion (Christ's teachings mixed up with European paganism and various superstitions), and I still believe that as I haven't seen any convincing proof to the contrary.

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