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    Well, now that I've been reading about past argues between other Argentines, and those kind of things, I have sort of new ideas. I rethinked everything.

    You are right when you say that you cannot consider yourself Afrikaner if you are named Juan or Dante or whatever, and speak Spanish and your culture is not Afrikaner at all.

    It seems I used to give way too much meaning to race. That's why I named the Welsh, they are "Germanic" racially (I mean, nordic, northern european), but not really Germanic.

    As a conclusion I wouldn't say Argentina is part of the Germanic world. But we are not the same as the rest of Latin America neither, our identity is White, with heavy Germanic influence. And those being raised in some German colonies may be regarded as Germanic since they even speak German everyday.

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    La Begonia Journal; For Afrikaner Gaucho, Arid Land and Hard Work
    Published: October 31, 1991

    ESTANCIA LA BEGONIA, Argentina— He shuffles about with a heavy stick for a cane. But at 79, after 64 years of riding the plains on horseback, Enrique Carlos Grimbeek seems an archetype of life in the Argentine outdoors. He still wears the baggy pants and thick belt of a gaucho. A visitor to his 180,000-acre sheep farm in the southeastern corner of Chubut province will find him hospitable and talkative, full of stories about the hard life of a rancher.

    But his tales are hard to follow. Mr. Grimbeek's Spanish is almost unintelligible, since it includes a heavy Dutch accent and is sprayed with Afrikaans words.

    Mr. Grimbeek is a Boer, one of almost 2,000 decendents of hardy Afrikaners who came to Argentina after their crushing defeat in the Anglo-Boer War in 1902 and managed to survive by toughness in the arid Patagonian plains.

    Most second-generation Boers speak Afrikaans among themselves, and many say they want to visit South Africa. Some say they want to stay there. Claim a Contribution

    But the Boers did more than survive in Argentina. In fact, many argue that they contributed to much of Argentina's current wealth.

    When their fathers got to Chubut in 1903, they found there was simply no fresh water. They were given large ranches by the Argentine Government as an enticement to immigrate, but they had to bring in drinking water by wagon. So they demanded a rig from Buenos Aires to drill for water. And in 1907 they hit their first oil well.

    A drive outside of Comodoro Rivadavia, which is one of the country's petroleum centers, finds oil pumps almost every 600 yards. Had the law been different the Boers might today form a kind of super-rich subculture of Argentine society, since most of the oil was found on their land. But in Argentina, the state is owner of all mineral rights.

    It is understandable that at one time as many as 600 Boer families chose to brave the wilds of Patagonia, instead of remaining in South Africa after the war. Most of those who came to Argentina were sheep farmers in South Africa, and were able to start new and highly successful ranches when the Argentine Government, seeking to populate Patagonia, offered each family between 6,000 and 18,000 acres of land.

    But more important to their decision to leave was their treatment by the British authorities in South Africa. After the Treaty of Vereeniging was signed in 1902, ending 32 months of war, Boers continued to resist using guerrilla tactics. In response, Britain declared martial law and built concentration camps that included women and children. Boer farms were burned. Some say as many as 26,000 died from disease in the camps.

    The first families came to Argentina in 1903, with the largest migration in 1905. Almost half returned to South Africa between 1910 and 1920 after self-governance was granted to Orange Free State and the Transvaal, where the Afrikaner population was concentrated. But 300 families remained in Argentina, creating the largest exile colony of Boers in the world. Grudge Against British

    To this day, many Boers harbor a deep grudge against the British.

    "I tried to sign up to fight in the Malvinas, but they wouldn't let me," said Mr. Grimbeek, referring to the 1982 conflict over the Falkland Islands. "I tell them now that if I had gone, the British wouldn't be on the islands today."

    Though the Boers here have blood ties to South Africa, they seem to have little, if any, of the racial prejudice of the friends and relatives their parents left almost 100 years ago.

    In fact, visitors with dark skin, of Indian extraction, swarthy gauchos or any other combination of ethnicity are likely to be treated to mate, the acrid Argentine hot beverage, or tea with chocolate cake and cookies.

    Discussing apartheid, and its dismantling, seems to mystify the Boers who populate the countryside of Southern Chubut. They admit they know little about the homeland of their fathers. These are simple people, fiercely loyal to the Dutch Reformed Church, and are more concerned about putting food on their tables than debating racial politics.

    "All I know is that out here the servant and the master are the same," Mr Grimbeek said. "They eat the same food, ride the same horses and sleep on the same land."

    "When we came here, we had to work or die, it was that simple," said Enrique Blackie. "You didn't have time to say you didn't want to associate with gauchos or Indians or Latins. If we don't work together we can't survive."

    Mr. Blackie is 63, has lost most of his teeth and has a face that the winds of the Patagonia have beaten into a leathery hide. He manages a ranch 50 miles northwest of Sarmiento, a dusty town that has long been a Boer colony, and he comes into town twice a month to visit his wife and 10 children.

    Though the Boer descendents still hold an annual festival where traditional dance, dress and food are offered, they say they feel very much Argentine and more and more separated from their South African past. Now into the third and fourth generations, Boer descendents are intermarrying. Grandchildren no longer speak Afrikaans. Several of the towns the Boers first built and populated are now ghost towns.

    Only two of the original settlers are still alive.

    "That is how it should be," said Elizabeth Torry, who lives in Sarmiento. "I can't expect my grandchildren and great grandchildren to speak Afrikaans. They're Argentines."

    Photo: "All I know is that out here the servant and the master are the same," said Enrique Carlos Grimbeek, a Boer decendent and a gaucho, on his 180,000-acre sheep farm in Chubut Province, Argentina. (Nathaniel C. Nash/The New York Times) Map of Argentina showing location of Chubut.
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    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    As an Anglo-Australian I am angered by what the British did to Boers in the Boer war and the Germans in the Second and First World War.

    Argentina's Afrikaners will most likely continue to dwindle in numbers like the German Brazilians; I just discovered that Raquel Zimmermann has married outside her group.

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    It's sad to see south-americans germanics losing their identity.I born in Brazil and many of my ex-friends love the "black-latin" culture.

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    Argentina's Afrikaners? There is no such thing, because all the Latins countries can do like the rest of the dark races is engulf the Germanic blood in hope to revigorate their degenerate race.

    As long as the Germanic does not understand that for a Germanic to survive is to inhabit in Germanic soil, the Germanic immigrant will only commit the faith of his ancestry, race and blood to suicide.

    We have seen it in Brazil with the Teutons, we have seen it in Italy with the Lombards, we have seen it in Spain with the Visigoths, we see it in Argentina with the Boers.

    Here is something to read:

    • Race or Mongrel
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      Alfred Paul Karl Eduard Schultz

      CHAPTER XVIII

      THE SOUTH AMERICAN MONGREL

      IT has been said that the degeneration of Spain is due to the fact that Spain is Catholic, a statement in which there is as much truth as in the statement that the deterioration of Egypt was caused by the Egyptian priests. When Spain was Gothic it was great and it was Catholic. The Northern races were great before they were Protestant, when they were Catholic, and great before they were Christian. Christianity sends many to heaven, many more to the other place, but regenerate a race it cannot. It cannot change the blood that rolls in the veins.

      Race impresses its characteristics on the religion that a people profess. The Catholicity of Gothic Spain was not the Catholicity of modern Spain. With the post- Gothic Spaniard, the Iberian-Gothic-Moorish-African mongrel, Catholicity degenerated into the crass fetishism which is the religion of modern Spain. The Catholicity of Southern Italy is likewise a fetishism in accord with the African blood that flows in the veins of the Southern Italian. The Iberian fetishism became degraded to a still greater extent in South America, in consonance with the progressive degradation of the American mongrel, the American Spaniel, and Portugack. The Catholicity of the Irish or of the French is essentially different from that of the Iberians. The Catholicity of the South German is love for art, colour, music, life. Gothe, although a Protestant, preferred in life and in art the warm glow of the Catholic Church.

      Religion does not cause the degeneration of a race, it degenerates with the race. The Spaniard who, in comparing Germany and Spain, thinks that the difference is due to the university system of Germany, that German patriotism and superiority, that the greatness of the empire, is created by schools and universities, is over estimating the importance of universities immensely. German universities accomplish so much, because the German race is a great race. A thousand German universities in Spain could do nothing for Spain. In a short time they would deteriorate to the Spanish level. Great races have great schools, but schools never make a race great. It all depends upon the blood.

      As long as Gothic blood prevailed in Spain, Spain was great. After the Moorish wars were over, the Spaniards and the Portuguese fused with the Moors that remained. The Moors introduced Arabian and negro blood. In the fifteenth century the Portuguese acquired African possessions, and, carrying negro blood in their veins, elective affinity caused them to cross freely with the negroes. At first the negro blood came to Portugal in droplets; later it became a flood. It flooded Spain as well as Portugal.

      These Iberian-Gothic-Arabian-negro mongrels colonized South America, Mexico, Central America, and the West Indies. What have they accomplished? Is it not true that Iberia laid rotten eggs in South America, and that the United States acted as their incubator and brooder?


    Reminds me of this conversation:

    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    The Irish Catholics could have gone to the Catholic nations of Latin America but they didn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    What does this tell us? Where faith diverges, blood is stronger than faith. They obviously wished to be with their more culturally and ethnically akin counterparts from the British Isles than their Spanish- and Mestizo-descended fellow Catholics.

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    I wish people could find a balance between assimilation and preservation of ones culture but this happens more often than anything the younger generations forget there roots

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rassenhygieniker View Post
    Argentina's Afrikaners? There is no such thing, because all the Latins countries can do like the rest of the dark races is engulf the Germanic blood in hope to revigorate their degenerate race.
    Argentina is the Whitest country of South America. Essentially, the main danger for the Germanic heritage becoming subsumed in non-Germanic heritage is mixing with other European-descended ethnicities such as Spaniards or Italians. The "Natives" are mostly to the South and in the capital.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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