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    Honest and Clean Politics?

    I was pondering about this theme today, as there are electoral cars with microphones driving on the streets making propaganda for the presidential elections here. One of the ways to appeal to peoples to vote for the liberal democrats for example, is through negativisation of the opponent: "don't let communists return to run your country". It's a strategy against the social democrats. The irony is, the same peoples who preach against communism are said to have some remnants from the communist regime in their ranks.

    I'm sure in everyone's country there was a lot of dramatism at least once when elections came or when there were TV debates. Or when politicians do their best to dig up some dirt to prove the opponent is corrupt or morally tainted.

    What is your view? Can politics be honest and clean, and focus on the positive things about your party, or do you have to negativise and even defame your opponent to get on top? Is all in politics fair like the saying is about "all is fair in love and war"? I don't think anything is fair, but I think it's difficult to compete with fair play nowadays.

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    Yes in an ethnically homogenous country, but when foreigners come in they engage in hostile warlike politics. Politics changes from "what's best for us" to "us against them."

    I'm convinced much political competition is ethnic competition dressed up. For example in Britain England is a Conservative heartland while Scotland/Wales and cities full of immigrants are Labour/Liberal heartlands. It's not the whole story but it's a large part of it.


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    Right now the end justifies the means. Nationalists need to get in power, it doesn't matter to me what political strategy they use. It matters more what their program is and what they intend to do for the country once they're running it.

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    The type of politics in any country is a symptom of the type of government.

    In a democracy, you get power through election; you get elected by appealing to the masses; the masses are generally stupid, distractable and emotional; therefore, you get power by being someone who is good at appealing to stupid, distractable and emotional individuals.

    By the very nature of it, a government that is run through an electoral process will never be intelligent or focused in either its goals or its execution.

    Or at least, that is the case as long as it's true that the majority of the population is stupid, distractable and emotional.

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    Exactly honest clean politics would be possible in a racial socialist (national socialist) state. This would be a state of similar people in which the only people allowed voting are those who have met minimal standards of intelligence, competence, education (including about the issues), who has served their duty to their country in some way etc.

    Barring that we live in societies composed of morons. All politics thusly is bullsh*t. Most educated people have a better grasp of what the politicians really represent whereas the masses are bombarded with sound bites of what ever makes them feel good for the moment. For example Obama lays out his philosophy in his book and we can easily read the literature of his top advisors which contradicts what he says on TV. But most moronic voters who don't read will vote based on what TV tells them and most educated voters will vote based on what they've read etc.

    The key to the system is that fools think they have more power than they do (although they have too much in this system). Money does the real voting. The more money someone has to spend on manipulating the sheeple the more likely he'll win. Thus the wealthy/elite can vote with their pocketbooks and these tend to be people actually educated on the issues. So there is some degree of justice in the system.

    I think the problem I see with a lot of racialists and such on forums is they are too intelligent to be fooled by a system made for morons but they also don't realize the way the elite inner workings of society go on.

    Nonetheless ideally I'd replace the current system with one that has people earn a right to vote- where anybody has an opportunity to vote but you must educate yourself on issues, have a certain level of intelligence etc. Because the thing with the wealth based system is that parasites, foreigners etc. with money can invade and infest a nation and manipulate it towards their own interest. Everyday people like you and me that knows what is going on can't vote them out because our one vote is cancelled out by 100 votes made by half retards. Then there's the fact that the whole voting system is usually rigged and corrupt. Which the way to get around that in a National Socialist system would be the local districts vote for someone to represent them. If you have maybe 1,000 people in a local district and can post who voted for who or something its transparent. Then that representative votes for for the next guy highest up, who votes for the next guy up etc. So you never have a case of one person voting in a pool of millions where his vote doesn't matter and you also have smaller more transparent voting pools.

    Some may say well we can't directly vote for the president though, but in our current system the electoral college determines our president. So...

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    I don't think the end always justifies the means. How can I be sure a politician is just playing dirty to get there and do something for nationalists and he won't continue to play dirty while he's in power?

    No thanks, I'd prefer to know people's true faces and true intentions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleyer View Post
    How can I be sure a politician is just playing dirty to get there and do something for nationalists and he won't continue to play dirty while he's in power?
    Exactly. It's like dating a girl who is cheating on her husband, somehow assuming that after she divorces him and marries you, somehow she won't do exactly the same thing to you.

    Politicians who are not true of their ideologies when achieving power, do not remain true to their ideologies when maintaining power.

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    You have to know what the ideology actually is. Which isn't what they will say on TV. If you have hundreds of thousands of dollars you can privately meet with and talk with many of these politicians or at least their staff. To think that you are special just because you are a member of the imbecile public is to believe a delusion. They pat retards on the head, let them compete in "special olympics" etc. just as they pat the public on the head and let them play in elections. Its all mainly a game. The only real power of an individual's vote would be in local elections.

    How could I trust a politician? Consider I date someone who lives around retarded people. She tells them they are special, and we talk on a whole different level. Perhaps this person is also decieving me like the retards, but mainly it is a different situation. In the end though we elect politicians because we believe in their ability to make decisions for us: not so they can vote the way we want them to vote. Otherwise why not put every decision up to a public vote? Politics is also about compromise in some ways. You can usually tell what someone represents by looking at their record.

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