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    "Heathens Against Hate"

    http://www.heathensagainsthate.org/

    Heathenry Is Not For Racists

    It is important to the Asatru, Heathen, and Pagan communities that we and the general public alike, understand that racism, nazism, satanism, white-supremacy, and the propagation of hate have nothing to do with Asatru, Othinism, or any of the pre-Christian religions in practice today(or during the "golden-era" when our pre-Christian ancestors walked the lands of Europe.)

    There are certain neo-nazi groups and white supremacists who call themselves "Heathens," namely the Hammer Skins and their ilk. These groups have appropriated and misused our sacred symbols and the names of our Gods in order to promote their "religio-political" views of hatred, racism, and fascism by distorting the fact that Asatru, Heathenry, or Othinism (Odinism), is the ancestrally ethnic religion of the peoples descended from Europe. The truth is that while Heathenism is a modern revival of the religion of our European ancestors, it has never,in any way, promoted nor encouraged hatred toward other ethnic or religious groups. Absolutely none of our sacred lore contains a mandate from our Gods to promote hatred toward other cultures, ethnic groups, or religions.
    Your opinions?

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    If you looked at the general worldview of those behind HAH, and their Universalist school of thought when it comes to Heathenry, then it already discredits all of what they've said as being useful to any Folkish Heathen - regardless of his actual political persuasion or approach to questions of daily importance - by virtue of saying that they might just as well run for the German or Austrian Greens for a Seat in Parliament .

    Anyway, I considered "Heathens against Universalism" (I think it was called) a much better concept, though alas I haven't seen their page up in a while. They stressed an unpolitical nature of the faith I believe, but still correctly pointed out that these Universalists do nothing but spout venom whilst secretly being neo-Marxist Liberals who tend to take Universalism not only to the extent of accepting extra-Europeans into the fold, but also in practicing mix-and-match.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    I like how they say "These groups have appropriated and misused OUR sacred symbols".. Our? Who owns these symbols? I think anyone with Germanic blood owns the rights to them. I dont want to see them abused but in all honesty, I would rather the WP people use them to in some way shape or form, preserve our people. Because I think our Germanic ancestors at the very basis wanted to protect and see our people flourish above everything in this world.
    "Sei, was Du willst, aber was Du bist, habe den Mut ganz zu sein."
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    So profiteering and using the religion as a commodity through 19th century Jewish ideology.

    They seem like masqueraders to me.

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    It's a single web page. Vikings would not recognise the international socialist morality of "anti-racism".

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    Well I believe that the Christians have given us a lot to hate, between about 975 c.e. to 1050 c.e. and beyond that even. As for the use of "our" symbols, They do belong to all of us (Germanic people), but when you start to lost the original meaning, then that symbol is no longer "that symbol", but now an abomination of what it was.

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    Thanks Todesengel i had never heard of them until you posted about them in a different thread

    hahaha there really are some people out there who need to lay off the Drugs

    Heathens Against Hate
    Tasmanian twice the heads!!.......twice the intelligence!?

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    Well, it's 4.30 a.m. and I can't be bothered to go into all the philosophy right now but this kind of thing makes my blood boil!!!

    The beauty of Paganism (as I see it) is that it allows an individualistic approach to worship with several deities to choose from according to one's own personality - or even mood! I often switch between Nordic Gods in different situations although Thor is my personal favourite. In fact, at this very moment I can hear the most violent rainstorm going on outside and it’s symbolic of how I feel upon reading all this bullsh*t about "anti-racist" Heathens.

    The Thunderer would be ashamed of this bunch of pussies

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    Many nowadays heathen groups embrace liberalism, especially the black metal scene. Here are two more:

    Vikings Against Fascism

    Metalfans Against Nazis

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    They're right about one thing only: being folkish heathen doesn't mean you must hate other groups or promote hatred towards them.
    But that doesn't mean the opposite side, to adopt an universalist approach and welcome anyone into your ranks. I don't hate other groups but it doesn't mean I think they can be Germanic heathens.
    They're contradicting themselves. If they say it's the "modern revival of the religion of our European ancestors", non-Europeans can't be heathen. Universalism is incompatible with heathenism, period.

    By the way, some of these heathens against hate groups or affiliated have requested friendship with Skadi on our MySpace site. Maybe they don't consider us a hate site.

    My opinion is many young people join such groups because heathenism and its symbols have been labeled as a hate religion, and by saying you're against hate you avoid being called racist.

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