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    Odinism and Race

    A few years ago, Odinism has been approved by the Spanish government as an official religion of Spain considering the number and pressure of its followers.
    How do you feel about non-Germanics following Asatru/Odinism?
    Do you think each religion is adapted to each race/culture and geographical location, or do you think a religion is universal?

    I'll give my opinion now for what its worth.

    I would find it weird (if not ridiculous) for a non-Germanic to follow Odinism, just as I'd find it weird that a Norwegian guy praises the Greek or Egyptian Gods. I think every people has a faith adapted to their history. Nonetheless, an American with Germanic ancestry, although not living in native Germanic lands, can follow Asatru because of his racial origins. Surely, geographically speaking he/she has no link to Odinism, but his/her ancestry makes him/her a part of the Germanic family, the diaspora, and can rightfully hold on to his/her ancestral faith.

    I'm a French national but according to my humble opinion, my ancestry and physical traits give me some sort of legitimacy to follow Odinism. Although I'm a french nationalist and I love my compatriots, when I see a clearly Mediterranean-type frenchie with a Thor's hammer I tend to cringe, because to me it just seems wrong. Am I intolerant, some sort of wannabe "exclusive", or do you agree with me?

    PS: I'm new here, I tried to search the forum for a related thread and didn't find anything. I was surprised that nothing came up because its quite a recurrent subject usually, sorry if this has already been debated.

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    Asatru is a larger set of traditions and a general philosophy of life. You adapt that tradition to your own family/location. Asatru in Iceland is not the same as Asatru in Spain. Asatru for your family is not the same as Asatru for my family. You learn from your parents and community.

    Folkish beliefs mean that you honor your ancestors and those closest to you (physically and genetically) come first. This can be held by anybody. Also anybody can be tribal. That doesn't mean they are a member of my tribe or my folk although we both may be "folkish".

    It really doesn't matter if a non-Germanic follows Odinism. They may find it useful they may not. I'm not them though its encouraged they connect with something closer to their own heritage. However they may not be accepted within certain groups or families. It would be absurd to tell a white man he can't go out and do an Indian dance. Maybe he finds it useful. Yet he may not be invited to do the dance with a tribe, or he may. It doesn't make him Indian just because he follows the traditions.

    I know that there are some beliefs, customs, traditions etc. that are not compatible for all people. It simply doesn't reflect their inward nature. Asatru fits me like a glove. Other people may or may not find similarity here and there. The thing that we believe is that there are different religions for different folks. We don't believe in one size fits all, but also I can't tell you what fits you. I can only recomend you learn from your own family and honor your own ancestry.

    Likewise the philsophy, morals etc. may or may not be applicable to other people. Generally I think the morals would uplift humanity. I'm glad if others find an appreciation for the religion.

    It's encouraged to follow something more in line with what you are, but I can't tell other people what is right for them. I only know what is right for me. I find it acceptable that certain kindreds, hofs etc. may only admit members who are compatible with them (this includes race/genetics) but for the religion as a whole its just counterproductive and useless to try to turn other people away from it.

    Imagine if a british man started doing Japanese rituals and erected a Japanese style shrine to his ancestors. He can even speak Japanese. It doesn't make him Japanese. Other Japanese neednt accept him into their group as one of them. But maybe the religion has helped him find spirituallity. Its the same with Odinism. What use would it be for an Asian to tear down the British man's alter and say "you can't practice Shinto!". Why feel threatened by it? But we should also understand that folkish beliefs can apply to any people. So its yes and no.

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    I agree. Only Germanics should be allowed. The point of religion is to unify a nation, and this is where christianity is failing today. They ignore the needs of their White parishioners for a homogeneous, like minded community and send all their money to africa or actively bring africans to our lands. They glorify homosexuality by appointing gay bishops, apologize for slavery, and, like subservient fools, give the parishioners' money to negroes as reparations.

    Religion cements a community together, so it should be empowered with defining that community.

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    You might find asatru has been excepted because of the mass migration of english to that country over the last 10 years and this would account for the rise in asatru in spain which is good for the english as they are keeping up their traditions and will hopefully unify the whole group into a tribe of faithfull adderants to this faith which can be only a good thing.
    I would not have thought a catholic spanish would have any interest in a northern belief based upon the nordic traditions but as said above if they find spirituality that would explain the attraction to it.

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    I am dead against moral univeralism. Universalism and racial nationalism are incompatible. Universalism is used by socialists and especially christianity to moralise for internationalism. Christians send parcels to Africa (which is ballooning in population size thanks to western medicine and aid, while Europe's white population is shrinking) under the universalist premise that 'it's wrong to be poor', therefore whites owe Africans something.

    Odin, Freya and Thor are OUR gods, gods of the Northern Europeans. They are racial figureheads which embody the values of the Germanic tribes.

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    The one thing I do agree with the Bible on, is that man was made in the God's (not god's) image, so In my opinion, none Germanic people should not be following Asatru/Odinism

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