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    Cornish Street Signs to Be Translated

    Cornish street signs to be translated

    Street signs in Cornwall will be translated into the region's traditional language, despite the fact that only 300 people speak it.

    Council premises will also get the new signs and councillors will be asked to consider using Cornish in all future publications, promotional literature and their website.

    The move is aimed at promoting the language and Cornwall’s distinctive culture, but opponents criticised the move as “unnecessary” and potentially divisive.

    Cornwall Council said the changeover would not cost anything because the signs would only be replaced when they were broken or needed repairing, and they would be the same size. Manufacturers had agreed to add the translations free, a spokesman added.

    Graeme Hicks, the county’s cabinet member for highways transport and planning, said: “The sign manufacturers will put the Cornish underneath the English at absolutely no cost, so it is a win-win situation.

    ”We have got an obligation as a local authority to promote the language, and this is an ideal way of doing it.”

    However, a Conservative councillor, Morwenna Williams, said: "This will not be welcomed in my part of the county. Some people in Cornwall will find this ridiculous and unnecessary."

    She was concerned the move could send out the wrong message. “Cornwall is part of England and there are not that many Cornish language speakers.”

    She added that it would be a “retrograde step” if moves towards greater autonomy for Cornwall now gathered pace.

    David Salter, a Plymouth City Councillor in neighbouring Devon, commented: "I'm only a quarter Cornish but to me this is ridiculous.

    "Cornwall must surely have bigger concerns than making the road signs even more complicated. What next? Passports on the Torpoint Ferry (which crosses the county border) or border guards at Saltash (on the Cornish side of the border)?"

    Dick Cole, the leader of the Mebyon Kernow party, which advocates greater Cornish home rule, said the new signs would benefit the Cornish economy.

    He said: "Cornwall's uniqueness is its Celtic heritage and we have to promote that as a brand to attract more overseas visitors. These sorts of things are vitally important when trying to make an area stand out from the rest."

    The council said it had a duty to promote the language in line with the European charter for regional or minority languages.

    Cornish is believed to have died out as a first language in 1777 with only several thousand of the county's 500,000 population able to read a few words.

    The Cornish Language Partnership said the number of speakers had risen in the past 20 years.

    The former Kerrier District Council, which was succeeded by Cornwall Council, had a policy of using bilingual signs.

    Four examples are:

    1/ Tregganna Fields, Camborne, Parkow Tregennow

    2/ Pendarves View, Camborne, Gwel Penderves

    3/ Crellow Hill, Stithians, Bre Gerellow

    4/ Boundervean Lane, Camborne, Bownder Vyghan
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ranslated.html

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    I support keeping regional dialects alive and in use and I'm appalled by the comments of the Conservative councillor, Morwenna Williams. I would imagine that projects such as this one receive a miniscule fraction of the money awarded to ethnic minority projects in the UK.
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    Well done Kernow (Cornwall)!

    Indigenous regional dialects, accents and indeed even languages should be maintained and promoted in the interest of diversity, ancient custom and historic merit.

    I do not believe that only 300 hundred people speak Cornish, but even so, this old Celtic language should not be allowed to die out in its own homeland and should be offered as free tuition for those willing to learn it!

    Once upon a time, this language (or a version of it) was spoken throughout the mainland British Isles. We Germanics put an end to that, but where the Celtic peoples maintained their hold on what they could, then let their History, Culture and language thrive.

    Well done Cornwall.


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    About 10,000 people speak Cornish. I'm generally supportive of this move.

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    I have a feeling this would have got more support if it was being translated to a foreign language.

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    Preserving endangered language is actually quite a bold move, globalisation be thanked it otherwise well be that linguistic diversity would be a fairly non-existent phenomenon in a few decades - yet another such case where supposed increased diversity actually kills that very real diversity.

    Therefore, one should take positive action long before it is too late, and any measure a state takes to support the preservation of its indigenous traditions is to be lauded and built upon, it is perhaps only a question of time when some of us will need to rely on that clause in the wake of ongoing standardisation of the "global human".

    However, the following sentiment is pretty disgusting (troublesome point underlined):

    He said: "Cornwall's uniqueness is its Celtic heritage and we have to promote that as a brand to attract more overseas visitors. These sorts of things are vitally important when trying to make an area stand out from the rest."
    In this perverted day and age, everything appears to be about making money, where tradition becomes a mere exotic weekend-trip for townsfolk and people from further afield to look at.

    If you're going to promote an endangered language or custom, you either do it like the Rumantsch in Switzerland and enforce a rigorous language policy, or you at least let it die in dignity rather than in pity.

    In essence however, nothing's more annoying than where the tourists come to these places to have a peek at "those quaint provincials" like it was something sensational, and where the indigenous merely dress up and act-talk in that dialect/language to please the demands of the paying customer whilst they don't actually live these things outwith these biannual displays.

    Tradition should be lived, and encouraged to organically be preserved, but before you degrade it to a mere tourist attraction, please don't even bother, it's a smack in the face of the dignity of that group. Tradition isn't like a zoo, for Thunor's sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post

    Therefore, one should take positive action long before it is too late, and any measure a state takes to support the preservation of its indigenous traditions is to be lauded and built upon, it is perhaps only a question of time when some of us will need to rely on that clause in the wake of ongoing standardisation of the "global human".

    Tradition should be lived, and encouraged to organically be preserved, but before you degrade it to a mere tourist attraction, please don't even bother, it's a smack in the face of the dignity of that group. Tradition isn't like a zoo, for Thunor's sake.

    Quite right! I happen to know there is a growing concern in the West Country for the loss of rural life in the face of Urban sprawl and exploitation. This is especially begining to show itself in Cornwall due to the added importanace of language and deep Celtic conections. But interestingly even the 'Holiday/Tourist' industry can be yoked into harness for this cause.

    It seems that the 'Summer lands' of the west (and up into Wales and across the sea in Brittany) have a ready made hero in the guise of 'The once and future King' who is now being seen as a semi mythical banner of resistance. If Mexican youth are looking to the likes of Quetzalcoatl for nationalistic inspiration why not Cornish youth with Arthur?

    Unfortunately, the sad truth is that the tourist industry is a very important part of Cornwalls financial life, and there will always be a distasteful compromise to accomodate the 'day tripper'. Cornish Pixes and Fairy rings manufactured in Hong Kong will always flood the trashy tourist shops, but if the people (particularly the Youth) decide that the struggle to maintain their independant difference from the rest of Britian is worth the fight, and if this results in a re-emergence of interest in their own ancient language, then that will have massive benefits not only for them but also for the other areas of Britain where native tradition and life style is under threat!

    Cornwalls move for 'native' recognition may have deeper ramifications than just bi-lingual road signs and a proliferation of 'Pasty' shops, it could be the thin end of a very welcome wedge for the rest of us here in the UK!

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