View Poll Results: Which aim describes you best?

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  • To be an encouraging example.

    2 8.70%
  • To be a pillar of society.

    1 4.35%
  • To be just.

    0 0%
  • To discipline someone.

    1 4.35%
  • To bind someone to a cause.

    0 0%
  • To help someone to his luck.

    0 0%
  • To support someone's efforts.

    0 0%
  • To play your role in a common effort.

    6 26.09%
  • To advance a cause dear to you.

    5 21.74%
  • To define your individual style.

    1 4.35%
  • To produce a stylish environment or pieces of art.

    3 13.04%
  • To take part in (social) role playing.

    0 0%
  • To become honoured through your service.

    1 4.35%
  • To guarantee an environment that you like through your service.

    2 8.70%
  • To be at peace of heart serving.

    1 4.35%
  • Other, please explain.

    0 0%
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    Which Aim Describes You Best?

    1. To be an encouraging example.
    2. To be a pillar of society.
    3. To be just.
    4. To discipline someone.
    5. To bind someone to a cause.
    6. To help someone to his luck.
    7. To support someone's efforts.
    8. To play your role in a common effort.
    9. To advance a cause dear to you.
    10. To define your individual style.
    11. To produce a stylish environment or pieces of art.
    12. To take part in (social) role playing.
    13. To become honoured through your service.
    14. To guarantee an environment that you like through your service.
    15. To be at peace of heart serving.
    16. Other, please explain.

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    What an interesting set of alternatives.

    What strikes me about this list is how they relate to each other, and how one can sometimes lead to another (or sometimes will not) depending on your interpretation.

    I'm not entirely sure what "social roleplaying" (12) is, but if it has to do with respecting and conforming to certain societal "types" or ideals that will be of a benefit to society, then that can be seen as encouraging by example (1), and because you are playing a commonly-known societal role, if other people are doing it as well, then it can be seen as playing your role in a common effort (8).

    Similarly, if I have developed my very own way of expressing what I feel to be bedrock morals and principles, if I live my life according to my beliefs about what is best for society, then am I not simultaneously aiming to be a pillar of society (2), encouraging others by example (1), and defining my own individual style (10)? If I take the time to explain to others the reasons and basis for my actions, as well, and try to get others to follow, then do we add to that list that I am advancing a cause dear to me (9)?

    Be definition, if the causes that are dear to you are those that you feel will benefit society as a whole, then is there really a difference between advancing a cause dear to you (9) and being a pillar of society (2)?

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    Yes, Vergest, one can lead to another and by social role playing I meant that you would, for example, love to fill a certain position, because of the way people who hold this position are generally regarded - an example in previous times would be to be a knight, with all the rules that come with it.

    But these are really distinct things and it is important to ask oneself of what one wants first and foremost.

    The alternatives are actually systematically created by arbitrarily combining a threefold with a fivefold. But it would take away from the poll, if I would explain that here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Einsiedler View Post
    But these are really distinct things and it is important to ask oneself of what one wants first and foremost.
    I understand. There is a difference, psychologically, between someone who says, "I want to define my individual style!.... oh, and by the way, if other people adopt that will help society," on the one hand, and people who say, "I want to help society!... oh and by the way I will do that by living my life by my own style," on the other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einsiedler View Post
    The alternatives are actually systematically created by arbitrarily combining a threefold with a fivefold. But it would take away from the poll, if I would explain that here.
    Now THAT is fascinating to me. I would love to know the factors used to generate the list... if you don't want to post them here (it might contaminate the results?) I would love for you to PM them to me.

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    I would love to be nice and tell you, but that would - apart from contaminating the poll - destroy the whole point of me posting this here, namely that someone else, who looks at these choices, would come up with an explanation of them INDEPENDENTLY OF ME that would or would not coincide with my explanation and thus play an important role in turning my subjective classification into an objective one, one that different people would independently agree upon.

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    I totally understand. I was being curious and selfish. ;-) But I understand the reason why you can't share that, if you want to get un-skewed and interesting results.

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    4. To discipline someone.
    9. To advance a cause dear to you.
    10. To define your individual style.
    13. To become honoured through your service.
    15. To be at peace of heart serving.

    2. To be a pillar of society.
    3. To be just.
    6. To help someone to his luck.
    7. To support someone's efforts.
    8. To play your role in a common effort.

    1. To be an encouraging example.
    5. To bind someone to a cause.
    11. To produce a stylish environment or pieces of art.
    12. To take part in (social) role playing.
    14. To guarantee an environment that you like through your service.
    4. To discipline someone.
    2. To be a pillar of society.
    12. To take part in (social) role playing.

    9. To advance a cause dear to you.
    6. To help someone to his luck.
    5. To bind someone to a cause.

    10. To define your individual style.
    7. To support someone's efforts.
    11. To produce a stylish environment or pieces of art.

    13. To become honoured through your service.
    8. To play your role in a common effort.
    1. To be an encouraging example.

    15. To be at peace of heart serving.
    3. To be just.
    14. To guarantee an environment that you like through your service.

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    @Hauke.

    There is some (positive) correlation with my grouping.

    In particular the last 5er-group is in so far "correct" as it is disjoint with one of my 5er-groups, but mixing the other two.

    The same holds for your first 5er-group.

    If I look at your groups, I get the impression that they are inspired by a thinking that goes like "egoistic", "altruistic", "both".

    And that is perhaps not so far off, but my thinking isn't based on a judging approach (Christianity, Nietzsche, Jung), but on an analysis of feelings of liking something.

    To say that very clearly, the three classes are, at least to me, of complete equivalence of value and there is no linear structure in between them, which you could use to define a hierarchy or a mixture. (There might by a cyclical structure involved though, that is ...1->2->3->1... as opposed to ...3->2->1->3...)

    Towards the 3er-groups.

    I don't want to comment on that too lengthily. I feel that you used psychological considerations here, at least partially (the last group, for instance, there's a certain "certitude" about the points you listed, one could also say "devotion" - and "devotion" is something which naturally arises in my take on things and coincides quite well, if not perfectly, with that group.)

    I also feel that one point was misunderstood, namely "to play your role in a common effort". By "effort" I mean the willingness to advance some sort of a program and the "common" designates here that this program is integral to your culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Einsiedler View Post
    I don't want to comment on that too lengthily. I feel that you used psychological considerations here, at least partially (the last group, for instance, there's a certain "certitude" about the points you listed, one could also say "devotion" - and "devotion" is something which naturally arises in my take on things and coincides quite well, if not perfectly, with that group.)

    I also feel that one point was misunderstood, namely "to play your role in a common effort". By "effort" I mean the willingness to advance some sort of a program and the "common" designates here that this program is integral to your culture.
    Hmm, but if you don't explain exactly what you had in mind when you wrote those options, peoples can have different perceptions and the voting results won't be accurate for your report.

    Because a phrase like "to play your role in a common effort" is a little bit vague in my view.

    So I recommend that you should take each option aside and explain it before peoples cast the votings.

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    @Siebenbürgerin.

    O.k. The following points I consider crystal clear:

    1. To be an encouraging example.
    3. To be just.
    4. To discipline someone.
    6. To help someone to his luck.
    11. To produce a stylish environment or pieces of art.
    13. To become honoured through your service.
    14. To guarantee an environment that you like through your service.
    15. To be at peace of heart serving.

    And the following two points I have already described in greater detail:

    8. To play your role in a common effort.
    12. To take part in (social) role playing.

    So, towards the rest:

    2. To be a pillar of society: To live up to an ideal that is considered necessary in order to fully master a position of responsibility.

    5. To bind someone to a cause: To be a missionary in some sort.

    7. To support someone's efforts: More than the effort itself, it's about having the feeling of having helped the community.

    9. To advance a cause dear to you: A more individual effort, not necessarily one that's part of the common culture already.

    10. To define your individual style: I could have just as well written "to find it". Should be rather clear.

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