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    Why the Hate for Liberalism?

    Every now and then I read posts in which the user says 'This is the fault of all those dirty Commies, Socialists, Globalists, Liberals, homosexuals and other degenerated subhumans.'
    Since there never were any communistic states (no, not even the soviet union - especially not the soviet union) but only Bolshevist ones I find it weird to blame communism for anything. But at least you can blame Socialism for there are and were Socialistic states like Cuba, the GDR or the Third Reich (Socialism on a national basis). Though I think the theory behind Socialism isn't that bad, there are good reasons to be against it. Monitoring every citizen like the GDR did is something I do not support (but then again, I can only guess how much we are watched today..) and Cuba's population lives in poverty. Poverty and monitoring are no part of the socialism theory but they are things that were/are present in socialist states. Plus, the discussion in the thread about the free health care system taught me what other reasons some of you have for disliking Socialistic elements: foreign parasites benefit from the welfare.
    Globalism is dangerous for us, as well. Most products we buy are from China or Third-World countries. So, by buying those products, we support their economy but not ours.
    But what do you have against Liberalism? The individual's freedom retains at the appropriate maximum (murder and theft are, of course, to be punished in liberal countries, too) but, unlike Libertarianism, the state's economy is regulated by the government to stay stable. This doesn't sound that bad. So I'd like to hear your arguments against Liberalism.
    The Indians did not stop the flood of immigrants - today they live in reservations.

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    Social liberalism is hated by libertarians/classical liberals because it does not force complete congruency with free market demands, and it is hated for being a variation of libertarianism/classical liberalism by everyone else.

    The meaningless struggle between the various factions of liberalism that drives US politics has now permeated all nations under Western control and it is common for each side to get "insulted" by being compared with non-liberal ideologies.

    Some of them even take that to heart and start issuing pseudo-NS toughguyisms like "if a society does not survive the destructive delusion of freedom, then it does not deserve to live!". It is more appropriate to say that it simply will not.

    Liberalism fails to recognise that our economic activity is subservient to our biological development and that all of our material existence can only be driven in a meaningful direction if it pursues a higher end, socially enforced by authority and hierarchy.

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    There are big differences between what some call liberalism in Europe and how Americans think of it. Make no mistake, the American definition will be your definition in a few years, and no, not because of some American cultural hegemony that some people see as the one true enemy. To me, and on some level of consciousness to all European Americans, liberalism is a synonym for anti-Ethnic-Europeanism. It has little to do with economic theory, unless you define economics as the act of destroying the White middle class through taxes and regulation and affirmative action while giving everything to negroes and mexicans and anyone whose origins are NOT European. The american Democratic party depends upon the votes of negroes and jews and mestizos, who all heavily support, with their votes, the destruction of all European culture on this continent. It is a hate fest against all who are like us. They are no less than the enemy of our blood, when you cut through the BS, and they are more and more like the black communist ANC in South Africa every day.

    Secondly, these assholes are nothing about freedom in any way. Every single day they are coming up with new legislation to destroy freedoms in America. I couldn't even begin to list them all, but the socialism they are pushing can never work where there are multiple cultures involved. There can be no freedom without freedom to exercise our own culture without being bothered by utterly alien and hateful cultures like those of blacks or mexicans or pakistanis or turks. It just does not work. There is no way one can forcibly mix these cultures and have them survive. None. It takes millennia to forge nationalities out of relatively similar elements, like the PIE and Old Europeans, or the Franks and Gauls, or the Saxons and Britons, and there are always schisms even there. The globalists want us all mixed so we will have no identity other than the one they force feed us, so of course they support this social liberalism. It is their own plan.

    And those of you who think "freedom" should include the personal decision to mix with other races are simply falling into their trap. What you young and naive folk believe is freedom of choice has been highly influenced by propaganda intent on destroying the souls of your future children. Honestly, none of the gossip rags that are fodder for the sub-intelligent rabble ever paid attention to Heidi Klum until she married that african ape-man, but now they are not only there, but celebrated in every part of media, even in VW commercials. No one has freedom of thought until they can understand that everything they are exposed to influences them in some way, and usually not to their own benefit. The biggest fools are those of European descent who support the left in any way. They are pied pipers leading you to destruction.

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    The reason is simple. Liberalism promotes practically everything that the coservitive philosphy disagrees with. Unfortunetly for the liberal users of Skadi, there are numerous numbers of conservitive users that articulate their views in a very pointed manner. An other huge issues with liberals is that they often straddle and cross the line that leads to socialism. For conservative citizens of the United States of America, the country that's founding principles promote everything that socialism destroyes, that is too much.

    Hope you understand why we bag on liberals.

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    Liberalism has decayed our people and their surroundings. Liberals promote free choice, but encourage degeneracy and hedonism. They subtract responsibility. Liberalism promotes individualism, carelessness towards the nation and selfishness. A liberal will sooner or later sell his people out for personal pleasures.

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    Spot on there, Wolgadeutscher!

    I’m afraid that Liberalism, in practice, sows the seeds of its own demise. If we take the issue of race for example, liberals will let all and sundry into their “liberal” countries and then one day they’ll find out that their guests are not as liberal as they themselves are. Because of this, I’ve always found liberals to be a danger to themselves (which I don’t mind particularly) and their compatriots (which is totally unacceptable!)

    Also, from my experiences I’ve found that most of those who profess to be liberals are nothing of the sort. They come out with things such as “zero tolerance for racists”, which is tantamount to saying "your intolerance will not be tolerated"! This is just one of the numerous self-contradictions inherent in practically everything that liberals say and do.

    But what annoys me the most about liberals is their preaching, morally superior tone. And with liberalism being (unfortunately) the prevailing trend in today’s Western societies there’s an unseemly scramble to be perceived as liberal even if you’re not. Sorry to say, this brings out the worst exhibitionist instincts in those who want to be seen doing the right thing and gain approval from the rest of the herd. To my mind, liberals are fundamentally dishonest!

    In many cases, as Hugin pointed out, liberalism can actually be used as a weapon to enforce acceptance of something - again, I’ll use immigrants as my example – upon people that instinctively know this is not a good idea but will not rebel for of being labelled intolerant. Personally, I much prefer individuals who are "intolerant" (of stupidity!) because I find they have more character and integrity. They are also far more interesting than liberal drips with whom even the most superficial conversation becomes a politically-correct minefield.

    So no, I don’t like liberals. They’re either pseudo-liberals trying to enforce their ideas by subversion or they’re naïve and gutless, thus my attitude towards them varies between hostility and contempt! I realise that your question was more idealogically-orientated Stimme but I’ve dealt with how liberalism tends to be practiced by its subscribers and I’m sure you’d agree (based on the examples you gave) that an ideology is only as good as those who implement it.

    A society where Liberalism is predominant will always contain far too many individuals with a "me first" approach and too few who are aware of a greater ideal beyond the self. It will always end in tears - guaranteed!

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    Excellent post, Godwinson!

    To sum up, liberalism is not today what it once was. In the 1800s, it was about opposing the idea that the mega-rich should live in hundred room palaces and own everything while everyone else lived in hovels and had to work 100 hours a week (for the mega rich) just to afford bread.

    Now, liberalism, which had always built its foundation upon emotionalism rather than logic, has mutated like a cancer into something quite different. Instead of the rich being the oppressors, it is now the "Whites." Children are taught in school how evil White people are.. that they wiped out the american indians and gassed the jews, and oppressed everyone in foreign lands through colonialism. The liberals seem to think that we must be punished by genocide for this "crime," even though there are more indians today than when Columbus landed, the jews all seem to be "survivors," and the lands we "oppressed" all have a much higher standard of living due to the inventiveness of the European mind than they did when we arrived.

    If scenes of Black Panthers intimidating people in front of voting places here or the Labour party in Britain admitting to purposely opening the floodgates to immigrants cannot wake you up to the fact that the left is anti-White and anti-indigenous European, what will? You could not say you were pro-German if you were wearing a Russian uniform and shooting Germans, so how can you say you are pro-Germanic when you vote for and give succor to our enemies today?

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    The reason is simple. Liberalism promotes practically everything that the coservitive philosphy disagrees with. Unfortunetly for the liberal users of Skadi, there are numerous numbers of conservitive users that articulate their views in a very pointed manner. An other huge issues with liberals is that they often straddle and cross the line that leads to socialism. For conservative citizens of the United States of America, the country that's founding principles promote everything that socialism destroyes, that is too much.
    Yeah I pretty much agree with that.
    Also the Term “Commie” or “Liberal”is a sort of pejorative used in connection to various hippies, such as Abbie Hoffman who are seen as basically not real Americans, and ignorant sellouts. You also have to understand that these people were not even liked in the US at the time they were pulling their protest, and they were mostly a media sham. Also many of these groups were thoroughly infiltrated by Soviet KGB.

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