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    Europeans Too Selfish to Have Children, Says Chief Rabbi

    The leader of Britain’s Jewish community claimed the continent’s population is in decline because people care more about shopping than the sacrifice involved in parenthood.

    He blamed atheist “neo-Darwinians” for Europe’s low birth rate and said religious people of all denominations are more likely to have large families.

    The Chief Rabbi, who entered the House of Lords last week, made his comments in a lecture on religion in the 21st century hosted by Theos, the public theology think-tank, on Wednesday night.

    Lord Sacks said that faith had survived so far because it could provide answers to mankind’s eternal search for meaning in life - unlike the market, the state, science or philosophy, which underpin modern liberal democracies.

    He claimed religion could continue to play an important role worldwide in the future, by engaging in debate with scientists, by campaigning on issues such as global poverty or the environment, and by discussing the nature of the common good with humanists.

    The Chief Rabbi warned that secular Europe is at risk, however, because its moral relativism can easily be defeated by fundamentalists.

    And he claimed that its population is also in decline, compared with every other part of the world, because non-believers lack shared values of family and community that religions have.

    Lord Sacks said: “Parenthood involves massive sacrifice of money, attention, time and emotional energy.

    “Where today in European culture with its consumerism and instant gratification – because you’re worth it – where will you find space for the concept of sacrifice for the sake of generations not yet born?

    “Europe, at least the indigenous population of Europe, is dying.”

    “That is one of the unsayable truths of our time. We are undergoing the moral equivalent of climate change and no one is talking about it.

    “Albert Camus once said, 'The only serious philosophical question is why should I not commit suicide?’.

    “I think he was wrong. The only serious philosophical question is, why should I have a child? Our culture is not giving an easy answer to that question.”

    He added: “Wherever you turn today - Jewish, Christian or Muslim - the more religious the community, the larger on average are their families.

    “The major assault on religion today comes from the neo-Darwinians.’’

    Discussing the popular secular idea that there are no absolute moral values, he said: “You cannot defend a civilisation on the basis of moral relativism.

    “In a head-to-head contest between a moral relativist and a fundamentalist, who wins? The fundamentalist must win because he is sure he’s right, and you are not sure he’s wrong.”

    He said that although the war on terror had been portrayed by Western politicians as a “battle of ideas”, there is little hope that Islamists who believe they owe allegiance to God would be swayed by talk of freedom or democracy.

    “The place for religion is in civil society, where it achieves many things essential to liberal democratic freedom. It sanctifies marriage and the family and the obligations of parenthood, and it safeguards the non-relativist moral principles on which Western freedom is based.

    “It may not be religion that is dying, it may be liberal democratic Europe that is in danger, demographically and in its ability to defend its own values.”

    Lord Sacks, who has been Chief Rabbi of the United Hebrew Congregations of the Commonwealth since 1991, described the modern phenomenon of “angry atheists” as the “intellectual equivalent of road rage”.

    He said that more respectful dialogue is needed between religious groups and the secular world.

    “All peace depends on compromise and that is why peace comes to seem to some religious groups to be a form of betrayal, and that is why peacemakers get assassinated.”
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    It must be true. A Rabbi said it.
    The Indians did not stop the flood of immigrants - today they live in reservations.

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    I have no problems when Europeans stop buying all that crap from jewish owned multinationals

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    Darwinians? Darwin's teachings says that there are variations within populations (we are not all the same), it leads to conclusions of eugenics, Darwin also believed whites evolved out of blacks. I'd say the neo-Nazis are Darwinian not the mainstream of society. Marxists are ones not having children they value money over everything else and equate wealth distribution to a social utopia.

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    Well, sure, lets all convert to judaism and everything will be all right. Not.

    Still, I see some particular truth in his statements, for our lack in birth rates are founded in both the selfishness and monetarism of the european upper class on the one, and the lack of perspective and social security in the lower and middle class on the other hand.

    The core of the problem lies, in my opinion,

    a) in the Zeitgeist, which glorifies selfishness and materialism, especially but not exclusively for women, calling it "emancipation" and "personal advance", while it portraits values like honesty, loyality, humility, tolerance and comradeship as old fashioned or even outdated.

    b) in the felt social insecurity and injustice of our society, caused by both actual problems growing from the capitalist system and panic-making from the mainstream media.
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    But why should my religion care about 'global poverty' when MY people are in decline? Why should my religion be an antagony to 'humanitarian' thought, when this humanitarian thought is shaped by my different biological traits and for each race/culture look more or less different anyway? Why should my religion be eager to compromise with another antagonistic religion? On top on that on my folk's own soil?

    Our people are threatened from the inside by a lack of values and social bonds and from the outside by hostile religious fanatics, partly nonetheless on our own soil. Not least to mention here Jews (it's funny Mr.Rabbi, that you condemn all the hostile systems that are designed by your think-tanks. Sometimes I think you design armageddon to play the savior. Jews love that, no?).

    If religion is the solution to both these threats, in can only be our own, indigenous religion. And indeed we should become fundamentalists at least in so far, that we dont accept alien people with alien religions on our soils.
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    a) in the Zeitgeist, which glorifies selfishness and materialism, especially but not exclusively for women, calling it "emancipation" and "personal advance", while it portraits values like honesty, loyality, humility, tolerance and comradeship as old fashioned or even outdated.
    No, I don't think that if it were just that, it would work (meaning: changing people.)

    I see here two problems. a) A lot of people in positions of responsibility are overestimating their own possibilities and hence don't use their power for necessary ground work. b) The climate that is created simply doesn't reward "honesty, loyalty, humility, tolerance and comradeship". And by that I mean that acting in such a way will financially harm you.

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    I would say it is difficult to see anything good coming out of the probable future, for white Europeans concerning the current situation. Most likely Europe will be overrun with Islam And the technological power base is shifting from Europe to Asia. Japan and Hong Kong have some of the most advanced electronics and engineering scientist in the world to date. China is currently the manufacture for most of the worlds products. The Japanese are investing Millions in the Carbon Nano fiber project for the Space Elevator.

    So If I had to make a prediction on the way the world would look in the next 50 or so years I would say the new center of civilization would be in Asia, and the Middle East, With the Asians as the Head.

    Definitely not a good thing to behold if you are a White/Germanic European or American.

    But he has a point in the fact that Atheism combined with Marxism is one of the stupidest philosophies on Earth. But I will clarify that by the fact that IT was Marxist Jews that first introduce and did everything in their power to advance an anti-germanic and anti-western Marxist philosophy into western society, complete with social engineering such as feminism and gay "rights".

    Seems what you have now is the “Oh Shit Factor” of some jews coming to the realization that there are no more Germanic Pawns to put between themselves and the growing and inevitably hostile Asia Middle Eastern industrial, and Military machine. And unfortunately they will not be as easily infiltrated as Europe was.


    Sorry for the pessimism, but that seems to be the way the facts are pointing.

    'global poverty'
    Ha! Ha!

    I assume he is talking about the Australopithecine in Africa who are busy concerning themselves with tribal wars, shrinking the heads of their enemies on a stick, cannibalism, and various other idiocies.

    LOL!

    Yeah!
    I think we have paid enough tax money into that “Cause”

    On the other had if he wants to spend some of that International Aid money to repatriate White South Africans out of that shit hole, I will be all for it.

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    A desire to have many children is linked to the idea that one is taking part in an intergenerational plan, extending beyond the purpose of one's individual life and what is contained within, and the realisation that this plan, a world view, only leaves the conclusion that it is good and purposeful to have many children for it to succeed.

    Religious groups often achieve this by placing a moral obligation on their members to create new people and raise them in the faith, but a theistic and specifically Abrahamic approach is not necessary for the effect.

    A sense of selfishness is also not entirely incompatible. A family is in many ways an extension of the self and, if a sense of common purpose is emphasised, it magnifies the material presence of a common spirit and its ability to affect this world.

    The FRG, Neocons and WNs are all clamoring for new human capital because they fear a loss of power and I can understand people who are disgusted by the idea that their own descendants should join and become such filth. In the end, though, it is still within their own power to outline a proper path for their kin and watch the competition wither away.

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    How does he explain the low birth rate and mixing of Israel, then?

    The cause is consumer society imposed by Jewish 'culture'. Europeans are merely victims of it, not unlike the Japanese or any other society forced under it by Israel's armed forces (Americans). Religion is not the prime issue.

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