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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyklop View Post
    The list is BS. Most of the endings are common German pre- and suffixes.

    Check out this list instead:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=780384&
    If you would note the context of my post, you would see that I was referring to the names themselves (Goldstein, Horowitz, Rosenthal, etc.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyklop View Post
    The list is BS. Most of the endings are common German pre- and suffixes.

    Check out this list instead:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=780384&
    Your list is appropriate for German Jews. This list relates mostly to American jews.

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    -Names ending in "-berg" (Goldberg, Weinberg, etc.) ---> Like Alfred Rosenberg?

    -Names ending in "-man" (Goldman, Lightman, etc.) ---> Like Gary Oldman? Hugo Österman?

    -Names ending in "-stein" (Einstein, Perlstein, etc.) ---> Like Heinrich Friedrich Karl Reichsfreiherr vom und zum Stein? []

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    -Names ending in "-ler" (Adler, Midler, etc.) ---> Like Friedrich Schiller? Like Adolf Hitler?

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    -Names ending in "-lin" (Gitlin, Sheindlin, etc.) ---> Like Ludwig Sütterlin?

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    -Names ending in "-off" (Chartoff, Berkhoff, etc.) ---> Like David Hasslehoff? (über-Jew with that forename!)

    I could probably find an exception to all of those "rules". That's because perhaps with the exception of Cohen and other names directly from Hebrew, Jews mainly adopted names which didn't sound that Jewish. The German -feld, -thal, -berg or -stein happened because that was during the Romantic Age. Many Germans had such names, though, long before.

    Other names which "sound like they could be Jewish" are Jordan or Jud.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    -Names ending in "-ler" (Adler, Midler, etc.) ---> Like Friedrich Schiller? Like Adolf Hitler?
    No, like Adler and Midler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortress Germania View Post
    Your list is appropriate for German Jews. This list relates mostly to American jews.
    They have the same origin.
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    Most Jews in England have 'German' surnames, and less commonly eastern European surnames. I believe this is basically the case throughout the anglosphere. I don't know of any 'British' surnames of Jewish origin, to be frank. However, I know some Jews with anglicised surnames (e.g. Mitchell) and one with an ethnically dishonest surname (Scott).For the most part, though, they're called Cohen, Steinberg etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    Overall though I think the list is pretty indicated of Jewish surnames (in America), except the list at the bottom includes many names that born by more gentiles then Jews, e.g. Davis, Lewis, Harris, Miller, etc....
    Yep, those are all common British names. I've never associated any of them with Jews. I even have the surname Davis in my ancestral tree, and they definitely weren't Jews. In fact, I know a fair few people with the surname, and they're fully British.

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    the list at the bottom includes many names that born by more gentiles then Jews, e.g. Davis, Lewis, Harris, Miller
    Yes they are, 99% of people with those names are not jewish, but they are gentile names that jews use - for example Daniel Day-Lewis, Phillip Green and Dennis Miller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortress Germania View Post
    Yes they are, 99% of people with those names are not jewish, but they are gentile names that jews use - for example Daniel Day-Lewis, Phillip Green and Dennis Miller.
    And more often than not by "long-given rights". Many Jews would have married into gentile families, it is obvious that the gentile name was passed on (patrilineally) whilst the Jewish faith was also passed on (matrilineally). Typically, the average British-Jew and "German"-American-Jew will have a good number of gentile ancestors.

    Occupational names would have been chosen to fit in, indeed - because you're going to be hard-pressed to find a Jewish miller or stonemason in any European country: They were either the top of the bourgeoisie or the bottom of the scum, but very rarely worked in honest occupation. Also, since these names - at least in Britain - would have been acquired long after the general population received non-patronymic names.

    Lewis is a different case altogether. Typically, it could just by structure be one of three things: 1) A weakened patronymic, son of Lewis => Lewis; or 2) A locational surname: A person from the Isle of Lewis could have been termed as that; or indeed 3) a derivation of Levin/Levi in an Anglicised form. It is the third form where it is likely to be Jewish by design. If it is Jewish and not derived from Levin/Levi, they received that names by one of the ways described in the earlier paragraphs.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    With many Jews with gentile surnames it is just a case of the family opting for a name for no other reason then they like it & it hides their ethnic origins to some degree - from those who are not familiar with Jews firsthand. For example Barbara Walters & Andrea Mitchell. From their surnames alone it is not apparent they are Jewish but both have a particular look & way of speaking that gives them away. And the surnames Walters & Mitchell are benign enough - they seem like typical Anglo-Saxon or British patronyms. The same with Harris & Davis, common surnames that help them blend in. There need not be any connection by marriage or otherwise for a Jew to assume a particular surname, just that there be a economic or social advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    With many Jews with gentile surnames it is just a case of the family opting for a name for no other reason then they like it & it hides their ethnic origins to some degree - from those who are not familiar with Jews firsthand. For example Barbara Walters & Andrea Mitchell. From their surnames alone it is not apparent they are Jewish but both have a particular look & way of speaking that gives them away. And the surnames Walters & Mitchell are benign enough - they seem like typical Anglo-Saxon or British patronyms. The same with Harris & Davis, common surnames that help them blend in. There need not be any connection by marriage or otherwise for a Jew to assume a particular surname, just that there be a economic or social advantage.
    They usually changed their name to its literal British counterpart (Weiss to White, Weinhaus to Winehouse) or to a phonetically similar British name (Hirsch to Hirst, Meyer to Myers, Rubinstein to Robinson etc.).

    Intermarriage probably played a part too, but most Jews I know certainly didn't inherit their names legitimately.

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