Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 15

Thread: A Call for White Unity in South Africa

  1. #1
    Funding Member
    „Friend of Germanics”
    Funding Membership Inactive
    Nachtengel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last Online
    @
    Ethnicity
    German
    Gender
    Posts
    6,345
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    196
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,132
    Thanked in
    650 Posts

    A Call for White Unity in South Africa

    Mike Smith - 10/28/2009

    I sick and tired of this Soutpiel/Dutchie s*! In my life I have learned that the English speaking South Africans basically have two gripes… ”I was bullied by Dutchman(Afrikaners) at school”…or… ”My Dutchman officers in the army gave me a hard time”….

    Oh and by the way their excuse for not being able to speak Afrikaans after learning it at school for twelve years is always, “They laughed at me when I tried to speak Afrikaans, so I just thought… stuff them”.

    So the “Engelsman” is always playing the victim. Shame the Afrikaners always gave them a hard time, ever since the Boer war. The English speaking South Africans have some other gripes and belly aches as well such as the “Verkrampte” Afrikaner churches and politicians were traitors and backstabbers and sold out all whites in South Africa. It is today easy to blame the politicians of the NP who were almost all Afrikaners for the situation of South Africa today, but who were the actual voters and how did they vote in the 1992 referendum?

    Maybe it is time we look at these issues in an honest, objective and open-minded manner.

    Growing up during Apartheid in South Africa, my experience was that the English people were always the liberal ones. The English neighbour next door always voted for the PFP (Progressive Federal Party) who was incidently led by Dr Fredirik van Zyl Slabbert, a liberal Afrikaner academic. The Afrikaners almost exclusively voted for the National Party and a few for the Conservative Party of Dr. Treurnicht. I never met an Afrikaner who EVER voted for the PFP who were once the official opposition after the CP took over that job in 1987. Even Wikipedia says that the PFP drew support mostly from the liberal English speaking Whites in South Africa.

    If South African Whites are 50% Afrikaners and 50% English then some interesting facts emerge.

    The official results were, 68,73% for the yes vote to give the country over to Blacks and 31.27% voted “No”. In Cape Town and Durban where English is in the majority and Afrikaners are much more liberal, 85% voted yes. In the Transvaal only about 52-57% of all the whites voted Yes and one needs to note that Afrikaners in this area are the majority.

    It appears that almost all the English people voted yes and about one third of Afrikaners voted Yes. Two thirds of Afrikaners voted NO in the 1992 referendum. Ultimately the blame of the referendum results does not lie with the politicians who called the referendum, but with the whites who voted YES.

    The referendum results aside, let us move on the language issue. It is quite common knowledge in South Africa that Afrikaners can speak English far better than English people can speak Afrikaans. Both groups of Whites are taught from about the age of six to speak both languages. For the next twelve years at school they study both languages. Why is it that at the end of that twelve years Afrikaners are better at English than English South Africans are at Afrikaans? Simple. Most international music is in English. The best movies and television programs are in English. The perception is therefore that Afrikaans helps one nowhere so what is the need to learn it? The world is English and with English you will get a lot further than with Afrikaans. So English speaking whites treat Afrikaans as a necessary evil they have to endure throughout their school carreers and never really see any need to learn it, because in in South Africa everyone can speak English to a reasonable degree.

    When one poses the question to English speaking South Africans why they are unable to speak the language after learning it at school for twelve years, one is met with the usual urban legend and myth that, “The Afrikaners laughed at me when I tried to speak Afrikaans so I gave them the middle finger and told them to stuff their language.”

    This is simply not true and English speaking South Africans are not being honest with themselves or others why they could not be bothered to learn Afrikaans.

    Further, I have been to Holland and Belgium and I am able to speak Afrikaans to them and they understand me 100%. I can also understand them 100%. I have also been to Aruba and Curacao where a simple greeting in Afrikaans allows one to go through customs unhindered, because they think you are Dutch, whereas the English speakers with their passports have to stand in line for hours and get searched. I experienced similar things in Surinam and Indonesia….And then I am constantly told that, “Afrikaans helps you nowhere in the world. It is simply a myth and an urban legend that holds no substance. Funny that the very first word in the Oxford Dictionary is an Afrikaans word, “Aardvark”…even more funny is that the second word, “Aardwolf” is also Afrikaans.

    Then comes the church… The big bad NG Kerk is to blame for everything, when everybody forgets the Anglican Church, The Church of England, with their Black Archbishop Desmond Tutu and the overwhelmingly English speaking Roman Catholic Church’s involvement in liberation theology and their support of the Marxist terrorist ANC who are currently ruling South Africa.

    The other urban legend that keeps on dividing Afrikaners and English South Africans is the one that Afrikaners gave English South Africans a hard time at school or in the army.

    I once had a friend, let us call him Willie… When I first met Willie he told me how he had a business that folded and how he lost R200,000. Problem was that every time me and Willie got together for a Braai, he told me the story again, but every time the amount that he lost, doubled. Eventually Willie was telling me the same story for the umpteenth time, but by then he had lost R8 million. He was obviously bullshitting and believing his own bullshit.

    If I had a Rand for every English speaking South African who ever told me how they were bullied by Afrikaners at school or in the army, I would probably have R8 million rand today. These lies and urban legends are floating out there as we are reading this, but if English speaking people in South Africa are truly honest with themselves then they will realise that these urban legends and lies that they have told to others for many years are simply not true and all bullshit.

    I further actually feel very sorry for English speaking South Africans, because all the Black tribes like the Zulu’s, Xhosas, Tsawanas, etc have their own cultures. The Afrikaners have their own rich culture with their Boeremusiek, Volkspele, poems and jokes. The Afrikaners have a guy called, Jan van der Merwe whom they make jokes about, just like the Irish have Paddy or the Germans have Eullenspiegel. The Afrikaners have their own cuisine with their “Boerewors” and “Potjiekos”… But what culture does English speaking South Africans actually have? Everything they have are borrowed from other cultures. They tell South African jokes calling Jan van der Merwe, “Old Van”. No original culture ever emerged from the English on African soil.

    No, it is easier to blame others and play the victim through spreading urban legends and lies.

    It has come time for us Whites in South Africa to push all this bullshit aside that is dividing us and that keeps playing into the hands of our enemies. The Anglo Boer war is more than a hundred years ago and history. None of us who are alive today ever fought each other in that war. None of us were in an English concentration camp and none of us were one of the gaurds.

    If we were to take stock of our current situation we will see that we have a common enemy and we are all equally deep in the s* and that our only way out is if we stand together. The time has come to bury the Lee Enfields and Mausers. We are a new generation of WHITE South Africans who are facing extinction in a country we love and call home and where we all share two common thing. BIRTHRIGHT and RACE ! That is enough for me.
    http://globalpolitician.com/26008-south-africa

  2. #2
    Funding Member
    „Friend of Germanics”
    Funding Membership Inactive
    Stormraaf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Last Online
    @
    Ethnicity
    Afrikaner
    Country
    Netherlands Netherlands
    Gender
    Age
    35
    Posts
    959
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    51
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    23
    Thanked in
    15 Posts
    I believe the above is an accurate description of the mindset of English South Africans in general.

    Whatever the case, I don't much care for "white unity", only that Anglo-Africans are to be removed as an opponent and barrier to Afrikaner sovereignty. Sure, the Anglo-Boer war is long over, but their maintaining an antagonistic attitude towards Afrikaners, and fueling an anti-Afrikaner undercurrent with their participation in liberal propaganda, constitutes enough reason for an all new, present-day conflict, albeit in a different form.

    Once Anglo-Africans realign themselves in favour of some mutually beneficial relationship, it will be an altogether different story, but I don't think Afrikaners should beg them to assume a "white unity" stance just because our recent (Union-) history makes negativity towards Anglo-Africans a hard pill to swallow.

    I don't subscribe to "white unity" being the "only way out" either. Allying with Anglos could help, greatly, but if they fail to reach the "common enemy" persuasion themselves, I'll settle for them staying out of our way.

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    White Africa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Online
    Tuesday, August 4th, 2020 @ 03:03 PM
    Ethnicity
    Anglo-African
    Ancestry
    English
    Country
    South Africa South Africa
    State
    Transvaal Transvaal
    Gender
    Politics
    Preservation of diversity
    Religion
    Agnosticism
    Posts
    117
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    5
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    26
    Thanked in
    12 Posts
    I think we are few as it is, so if we want to achieve something we'd better unite than divide. Hating each other is not going to take us anywhere. Personally, I'm not against an Afrikaner state. I think partitioning South Africa for each ethnic group would be better than the situation in which is it now.

    I also think a pan-Germanic alliance with the English would benefit Afrikaners in the long run, if the situation becomes unbearable. The predominantly English nations, the UK and the New World ones would be destinations for Afrikaners to seek refuge if need be. But hopefully it doesn't come to that. Unfortunately, some are immigrating already because they think South Africa is lost beyond repair.

  4. #4
    Funding Member
    „Friend of Germanics”
    Funding Membership Inactive
    Stormraaf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Last Online
    @
    Ethnicity
    Afrikaner
    Country
    Netherlands Netherlands
    Gender
    Age
    35
    Posts
    959
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    51
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    23
    Thanked in
    15 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by White Africa View Post
    I think we are few as it is, so if we want to achieve something we'd better unite than divide.
    Only if "uniting" means doing so in terms of forging a temporary alliance geared towards a mutually beneficial goal (which there is room for, especially in a military sense, although extremely unlikely). This too would satisfy the criterion of removing Anglo-Africans as an obstacle to Afrikaner sovereignty. Otherwise "uniting" is just a nice buzz-word to distract us further from potential courses of action.

    Regardless of other considerations, an uncompromising ethnocentric approach and a mono-ethnic ideal is an essential requirement to cultivate the necessary attitude, in either group, for mine and yours to want to procure their own borders on a much larger scale. The issue here is that advocating a "white" identity is conflicting with advocating an own, ethnic identity.

    Quote Originally Posted by White Africa View Post
    I also think a pan-Germanic alliance with the English would benefit Afrikaners in the long run, if the situation becomes unbearable.
    This notion is, however, an entirely theoretical exercise, precisely because the English would be the ones to voice the strongest opposition to such a "pan-Germanic alliance".

    Quote Originally Posted by White Africa View Post
    The predominantly English nations, the UK and the New World ones would be destinations for Afrikaners to seek refuge if need be.
    The Afrikaners who could have already fled to those countries, and this process continues, but the goal is exactly not to become so Anglicized as to consider the Anglo countries our only refuge. That we, as contemporary Afrikaners, are so easily integrated into English culture (and would choose the Netherlands and Belgium only after Britain and her progeny) is an artefact of our slow assimilation into Anglo-African culture. That in itself has to be done away with.

  5. #5
    Funding Member
    „Friend of Germanics”
    Funding Membership Inactive
    Sól's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Last Online
    @
    Ethnicity
    Northern European
    Subrace
    Nordid
    Gender
    Posts
    307
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    108
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    125
    Thanked in
    49 Posts
    Why so much hatred between the Boers and English? It reminds me of the German and English hatred. The Boer wars, and World War II are over...

  6. #6
    Funding Member
    „Friend of Germanics”
    Funding Membership Inactive
    Nachtengel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last Online
    @
    Ethnicity
    German
    Gender
    Posts
    6,345
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    196
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,132
    Thanked in
    650 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormraaf View Post
    The Afrikaners who could have already fled to those countries, and this process continues, but the goal is exactly not to become so Anglicized as to consider the Anglo countries our only refuge.
    I'm pretty sure you're aware that some of your countrymen who fled to England consider themselves "British".

  7. #7
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Last Online
    Thursday, July 28th, 2011 @ 06:35 AM
    Ethnicity
    Scottish (basically)
    Country
    Australia Australia
    Location
    Victoria
    Gender
    Age
    36
    Posts
    1,493
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5
    Thanked in
    5 Posts
    What exactly is this Mike Smith up to. All he seems interested in doing is belittling and despising his own people. Much of what he accuses the Anglos of applies equally to the Afrikaners; there is a mutual friction.

    As far as language goes, he's talking nonsense; yes, true Afrikaans might not be completely useless outside South Africa, but Dutch/Flemish/Afrikaans is on a totally different scale in terms of its usefulness as an international language. English is the language of world communication nowadays, and besides, the English won the Boer War so it's hardly surprising that their language acheived a dominant position in South Africa. No offense, but it makes far more sense for Afrikaners to learn English than vice versa.

    Just about every main point he makes here is refutable.

    English speakers in general have lost a lot of aspects of their traditional culture, thanks to the imposition of modern liberal/socialist culture, and South Africa is no exception, however the simple fact that Anglo-SAns are part of a much more worldwide and well known culture than the Dutch/Afrikaans obviously makes them less distinctive; nor have they been in Africa as long, and have therefore had less time to develop as an African outpost of European culture than the Afrikaners. It also seems that the Afrikaners, in their colonial outpost, have retained a stronger influence of older European traditions in their culture, influences which have largely died out in Europe.

  8. #8
    Funding Member
    „Friend of Germanics”
    Skadi Funding Member
    Bittereinder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Online
    Monday, May 6th, 2019 @ 06:52 PM
    Ethnicity
    Boer
    Ancestry
    Netherlands, Germany & Norway
    Subrace
    Faordiby
    State
    Orange Free State Orange Free State
    Location
    Grootrivier
    Gender
    Age
    37
    Family
    Married
    Occupation
    Cognitive Dissident
    Politics
    Verwoerdian
    Religion
    Heretic
    Posts
    1,592
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    200
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    289
    Thanked in
    166 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhydderch View Post
    What exactly is this Mike Smith up to. All he seems interested in doing is belittling and despising his own people. Much of what he accuses the Anglos of applies equally to the Afrikaners; there is a mutual friction.

    As far as language goes, he's talking nonsense; yes, true Afrikaans might not be completely useless outside South Africa, but Dutch/Flemish/Afrikaans is on a totally different scale in terms of its usefulness as an international language. English is the language of world communication nowadays, and besides, the English won the Boer War so it's hardly surprising that their language achieved a dominant position in South Africa. No offense, but it makes far more sense for Afrikaners to learn English than vice versa.

    Just about every main point he makes here is refutable.

    English speakers in general have lost a lot of aspects of their traditional culture, thanks to the imposition of modern liberal/socialist culture, and South Africa is no exception, however the simple fact that Anglo-SAns are part of a much more worldwide and well known culture than the Dutch/Afrikaans obviously makes them less distinctive; nor have they been in Africa as long, and have therefore had less time to develop as an African outpost of European culture than the Afrikaners. It also seems that the Afrikaners, in their colonial outpost, have retained a stronger influence of older European traditions in their culture, influences which have largely died out in Europe.
    English only achieved dominance in South Africa once Apartheid ended. Yes the English 'won' the Boer War but this was done in particular English fashion... Once the sheer numbers are weighed it is not surprising that the English 'won' but the tactics employed is not a testament to a superior fighting force. The Boers where outnumbered 5.5 to 1 of which most were trained British soldiers. Face it the Afrikaners capacity for fighting was truly astounding faced with these overwhelming odds. In addition to that our population would have far exceeded our current number if it was not for the British who killed the future of our people for gold and diamonds for jewish interests and instilled the cancer which would later devour our people.

    From a previous post:
    Quote Originally Posted by Grimner View Post
    You might think that 27,000 woman and children are negligible. The British had 450,000 enlisted men fighting their war against 80,000 Boer men. When the British adopted their Scorched Earth policy they were fighting 20,000 exhausted Boer Guerrillas. When they still failed to make the desired progress they resorted to concentration camps. Cowards!!!
    Does 450,000 men against the entire Boer population of 240,000 People (Woman, children and the Elderly included) sound like a fair fight to you? IYO Do these figures justify the use of concentration camps?
    Afrikaans might be useless in the world as a whole, I however will always cherish my language and my folk as that which makes us unique in the world. Our language is decidedly Germanic and so are our people. There are English people is SA who identify themselves with their country and the people whom they fought with in the Border War and where honest contributors in our country, I do not despise all English and see the need for the assistance of those English who are willing to give it freely for their and our freedom. Unfortunately there will alwys be those who much like jews only see this country as their residence but think of themselves as Brits.
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

  9. #9
    Funding Member
    „Friend of Germanics”
    Funding Membership Inactive
    Stormraaf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Last Online
    @
    Ethnicity
    Afrikaner
    Country
    Netherlands Netherlands
    Gender
    Age
    35
    Posts
    959
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    51
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    23
    Thanked in
    15 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    I'm pretty sure you're aware that some of your countrymen who fled to England consider themselves "British".
    And even if they don't consider themselves "British", there's no avoiding that their children will, even if both parents are Afrikaners.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhydderch View Post
    As far as language goes, he's talking nonsense; yes, true Afrikaans might not be completely useless outside South Africa, but Dutch/Flemish/Afrikaans is on a totally different scale in terms of its usefulness as an international language. English is the language of world communication nowadays, [...]
    So what? Nobody is advocating Afrikaners stop learning English altogether. We've used it as a tool for communicating with other cultures while Afrikaans was dominant in South Africa and its use protected by our own borders, and if we could again procure such borders, this will be the case once again. This is entirely different than adopting English as a substitute cultural language.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhydderch View Post
    No offense, but it makes far more sense for Afrikaners to learn English than vice versa.
    Which is problematic. There are no Afrikaners anywhere who don't know English, while it's very common for the younger Anglo generation in South Africa, e.g. those leaving school at around this time, not to know Afrikaans at all, because they are no longer required to learn it in school (note: they were, when Afrikaans was dominant). If nothing else, this compounds the reasons why the children to Afrikaner and Anglo couples become "first-generation English speakers" - essentially Anglo-Africans, given that Anglos here identify as "English speaking white South Africans" anyway.

  10. #10
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Last Online
    Thursday, July 28th, 2011 @ 06:35 AM
    Ethnicity
    Scottish (basically)
    Country
    Australia Australia
    Location
    Victoria
    Gender
    Age
    36
    Posts
    1,493
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5
    Thanked in
    5 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Grimner View Post
    English only achieved dominance in South Africa once Apartheid ended. Yes the English 'won' the Boer War but this was done in particular English fashion... Once the sheer numbers are weighed it is not surprising that the English 'won' but the tactics employed is not a testament to a superior fighting force. The Boers where outnumbered 5.5 to 1 of which most were trained British soldiers. Face it the Afrikaners capacity for fighting was truly astounding faced with these overwhelming odds.
    OK, well my purpose wasn't to gloat or boast about an English victory, I'm just attacking Mike Smith's take on all this.
    I'm saying that since the Anglos did win the Boer War (regardless of the rights, wrongs, fairness or otherwise), this obviously gave their language the upper hand, and that's together with the fact that English is far more of an international language nowadays, so I think it's only natural that the Anglos would tend to be a lot less familiar with Afrikaans than Afrikaners are with English. Mike Smith seems to imply that this state of linguistic affairs is the result of something more sinister on the part of the English; I don't think he's being fair or accurate, because even if they should know Afrikaans better the fault is still surely understandable, given the circumstances.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stormraaf View Post
    Nobody is advocating Afrikaners stop learning English altogether.
    Nor was I suggesting such a thing.

    As I indicated above, my statements should be taken in the context of a criticism of what Mike Smith said, as an interpretation of the evidence which puts the Anglos in a somewhat less negative light than does his interpretation.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. South Africa: The White Refugees No One Wants
    By Nachtengel in forum Southern Africa
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: Sunday, March 19th, 2017, 01:27 PM
  2. Replies: 1
    Last Post: Wednesday, June 3rd, 2009, 06:57 PM
  3. South Africa's White Holocaust
    By Parzifal_ in forum Southern Africa
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: Friday, September 3rd, 2004, 11:50 PM
  4. White Slaughter in South Africa?
    By Nordhammer in forum Southern Africa
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: Tuesday, February 10th, 2004, 11:54 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •