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    What Are the Qualities of the Übermensch?

    Here goes my first real thread.

    I was reflecting the other day on racial hygiene in the context of making oneself (and thus one's broader race) more "fit". It is a relative term obviously but I found the goal in Nietzsche's Übermensch. While it's easy to see the man clearly fell short of his idea, the idea itself I think is an appropriate one. However, the specific qualities of the "over-man" to me I think are better decided by the people actively trying to achieve it. I also want to stress I don't want folk to get hung up about Nietzsche, this is more about a cultural/philosophical ideal in general.

    What do other Skadi members think the qualities of the over-man are or should be? I like the idea as an example of greatness to be emulated. In today's Western Society there is obviously an over saturation of poor role-model images that are artificial to the human condition and I think if Germanic peoples (and other peoples for that matter) could flesh out an idea of an Übermensch reflecting our highest cultural ideals, it would be to great benefit.

    Hope to hear some interesting ideas!

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    Well first of all each region or folk would have a physical ideal of perfection. A perfect looking Asian would be different than a perfect looking German. Even among Germanics and Aryans I think different regions or groups could vary somewhat. I'm not saying tall and blond is the standard for everyone. But there should be some pictures, statues etc. of what is "ideal" for a given group. This would conform to good physical health and group standards of beauty.

    I often think to myself that either the people I'm around aren't human or else I'm super human or something given the general low class behavior and lack of intelligence of most people I encounter.

    I think its funny that so many white supremacists emulate Neitzsch but this is the guy who saw Jews as a superior race!

    I would say that you can't improve perpetually. Eventually you arrive at something that is healthy and hard to improve and you maintain what you have, if possible, improve it. This is the "uber man". Most people today are sick and degenerate in various ways. I would say you would want total physical health. Good muslce tone, no asthma, not one foot longer than the other, no braces on the teeth etc. Just lacking those imperfections. Secondly an I.Q. at 120 or better, which would be generally what is required to graduate college with a bachelors degree. Good character which means an inclination to be polite, considerate and generally pleasant to be around. It's all common sense really. We're not trying to build some space alien or something that's never been done. No to me its simply a goal of having good health.

    Good health extends passed the genetics. You should exercise, try to cultivate good manners, good speech and generally be cultured. You should exercise your mind, body and spirit. Its a total dedication to good health and living in a better way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NordicGuard View Post
    What do other Skadi members think the qualities of the Übermen are or should be?
    To be über.

    When I first read about Nietzsche's Überman I was linked to a Wikipedia article about the series Andromeda. Surprised, I read this sci-fi series had different races. Okay, this is is not unusual but in Andromeda there was, beside ordinary humans and the usual Aliens, this special race of the Nietzscheans. Those Nietzscheans were genetically improved humans. Each of them was at least 2 meters tall, twice as fast as a normal human, immune to almost every poison and very smart - yeah, and maybe they didn't need to eat, but I'm not sure about that anymore. Sounds like a goal, right?

    Rainman's description of behaving well-mannered and cultured sounds great but this is nothing a simple man cannot achieve, as well. For Übermen it should be a simple task to do things the smartest, most able ones of us have to give their best and work very hard for.
    The Indians did not stop the flood of immigrants - today they live in reservations.

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    Qualities of the uber mensch

    The message reply to what are the qualities of the the ubermensch. Ubermensch represents the highest point in evolution of symetry of the physical body and the general features in perfection of beauty. Beauty representing a harmonious form from all angles. Tall well proportioned muscular and firm. What would make such a process possible is regular exercise, with a constructive body building programme, good nutrition, good sleep, meditation. The second stage of the development would be observing the inner charachter of the self this would be observing all negative qualities that drag and bring the conciousness downwards. When a list has been compiled you would then go through a process purification and casting out this negative patterns of energy.

    To simplify it, calm mind, meditation, casting out bad habits, re programming the self to a positive form of thought. Taking into account that you come from good racial stock from you mother and fathers breeding process. If that had fallen into a negative state plastic surgery would have to be taken on board to even out the distortions of the features. Taking all this into account here is the list of order of priorities. Breath activation awakens the power of the spirit. Exercise with resistance builds endurance and determination and the will to win. Physical resistance builds physical strength above the normal human level.

    Relaxation builds a clear mind and awakened conciousness to learning. Reading and studying all about nature and science of the cosmos, understanding nutrition, healing a continious mind to learn which takes the inteligence above the norm. To be strong and sensative in personality and to see and to know about life to be positive and confident in all that you do. To know no fear to not except defeat and to back down from nothing to face fear and conquer it to face the world and conquer that. To have your own will and to be be holden to know one except your own conciousness. To live in civilisation and to walk into nature and live thieir just as comfortable to rise above in family values of honesty, decency, faithfullness, kindness, hospitality, love and careing.

    To exemplify beauty and to carry beauty where ever you go. From the way you draw, paint, talk, interact with women, eloquence of speech, and to make love. It is the apex of human development in which we should all aspire to.

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    Übermensch represents the epitome, the best the race has to offer. This can never be physical traits alone, nor psychological alone. The Übermensch is not perfect, but is the closest to perfection as possible. The Übermensch can only be Germanic, and only Nordid Germanic, since this is the epitome of our race, both physically and in matters of creativity.

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    An Übermensch has to be a generalist... not a specialist.

    He cannot only be "the height of perfection" physically, just as he cannot only be the "height of perfection" mentally. (Incidentally, this is what prevents me from being a true Übermensch: I've reached perfection physically and mentally, but my personality needs some work... )

    You can say, "an Übermensch has to be independent!" and yet a true Übermensch is not a loner: he is able to blend into crowds when that is called for, he is able to be liked and is able to persuade people.

    You can say "an Übermensch has to be a leader!" and yet a true Übermensch has to know when it is appropriate to be a follower, or when to seem like a follower. He has to be smart enough to understand what the context demands and has to be able to take on those roles.


    I therefore have a difficult time with many descriptions that I see, both in philosophy and in popular media, that seem.... static. Or context-independent. A true Übermensch isn't a chameleon.... but can be a chameleon, and is smart enough to know when to do it and when not to.

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    To get the idea of what's behind the "Übermensch" concept Nietzsche presented in "Also sprach Zarathustra", it is in my view essential to see that Nietzsche himself understood the "über" rather in the sense of the Latin "trans" (beyond) than in the sense of "super" (above).

    The "Übermensch" idea is dealing with transcendence, not with hierarchy. The Nazis later more or less consciously misinterpreted it as a term of hierarchy to justify their policies and to foster the idea of superiority of the Nordic race over other races, whereas Nietzsches concept was apolitical and purely philosophical.

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    I'm no expert, but I think the distinction between transcendence and hierarchy may be a little fuzzy... if not downright artificial.

    One connotation of "transcendence" is that one has "risen above" the problems, plights, or circumstances of something, is it not?

    I understand the distinction you are making: instead of becoming "the best at being human" you transform yourself to such an extent that you bring yourself to another standard entirely. Through evolution, mankind didn't just become "apes that are really good at being apes" --- we became something totally new.

    And yet, to deny that there is ANY implication of hierarchy in such a conception I think is also misleading. Humans are not apes, they transcend apes.... but they also have much greater skills than apes. So in that sense transcendence still has an element of hierarchy to it.

    At least, that's how it seems to me.
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    As long as you look at it from a purely "earthly" point of view, you are right.

    What I meant: If someone is trans-human, he does not care anymore about his relations to humans, because he has gone to a different world (I will avoid the term "level" in this context because it again implies a notion of hierarchy) and he then has no relations to humans, at least humans living on earth, anymore. Hierarchy presumes an existing relation between two beings, whereas it's irrelevant if they are human or animal. Where there's no relation between two beings anymore, there's no place for a hierarchy between them either.

    This might seem a little detached to you, but that's what the Übermensch-concept is all about in my opinion. This concept is in my view related to Platonism on one hand and Christian beliefs on the other hand. Surely Nietzsche apparently spoke out against Christianism, but there is common ground so to speak: In essence, this common ground is the ambition to transcend the sensual, material world.

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    I took it that Nietzsch essentially saw the uber-man as replacing God since "God is dead". He is more or less a God-man- a person who shapes the world around him according to his will and who relies on himself for guidance, intuition and leadership rather than relying on "God" or something outside himself. This would correspond with the ideal of a "master race" or a race of leaders/nobility. Which "Aryan" itself means "nobility" to the Aryans.

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