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    Quote Originally Posted by Primus View Post
    The UFO 'aliens' aren't extra-terrestrials; they are extra-dimensionals, i.e. from the spirit realm, with a huge grasp of what normies call science.
    Or, the other possibility is that people might just be seeing things in their sleep.

    Which is more likely, the existence of demons from the 4th dimension who don't affect any other physical thing in our dimension save for the perceptions of humans, (usually while those humans are in bed at night), or that the human perceptual system is prone to errors and hallucinations?
    Close observation may result in feelings of horror, wonder and awe at world you find yourself inhabiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    UFO move underwater by the same method they move through the air. See:

    O. Bergmann, 1988, Deutsche Flugscheiben und U-Boote Ueberwachen die Weltmeere.
    Thank you for alerting me to this gem, Professor. It's yet another thing I have to learn to get closer to understanding the metaphysics of it all. Looks like I'll have to translste this to English -- I can't read German. Yet I am very grateful that documents like this even exist publicly, regardless of what language they are written in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    As I was eating in a bakery in Munich a guy told me about UFOs, but he told me that they even operate under water with immense speeds, that is because "they" solved the "zero-mass-problem" or "negative-mass-problem".
    I figured he is an expert, since he could clearly tell UFOs apart from helicopters, so maybe you want to research these terms
    Thank you for the lead. That concept sounds fascinsting. Mass is certainly a tremendous burden to overcome. One example is the triangular ionocraft that Shadow mentioned, which operate on the Biefield-Brown effect. These are simple to build and it's easy to get them to lift. The problem is that they have no functional purpose because the weight of the electrical equipment far exceeds the lifting capacity of a typical ionocraft. They can only be tethered and lifted near the power equipment on the ground.

    One way researchers believe this problem can be solved is to incorporate lighter-than-air methods, to compensate for the weight of the power supply:

    In its basic form, the ionocraft is able to produce forces great enough to lift about a gram of payload per watt,[6] so its use is restricted to a tethered model. Ionocraft capable of payloads in the order of a few grams usually need to be powered by power sources and high voltage converters weighing a few kilograms, so although its simplistic design makes it an excellent way to experiment with this technology, it is unlikely that a fully autonomous ionocraft will be made with the present construction methods. Further study in electrohydrodynamics, however, show that different classes and construction methods of EHD thrusters and hybrid technology (mixture with lighter-than-air techniques), can achieve much higher payload or thrust-to-power ratios than those achieved with the simple lifter design. Practical limits can be worked out using well defined theory and calculations.[7] Thus, a fully autonomous EHD thruster is theoretically possible
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionocraft

    NASA apparently already has access to a patented micro saucer ionocraft, which uses lighter-than-air gas (helium) to increase its lifting potential.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingle...ic_Air_Vehicle

    Patent for the aircraft:
    https://www.google.com/patents/US20100102174

    Scientific American article:

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...flying-saucer/




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    There are of course many ways to power an advanced propulsion aircraft and ionizing air is just one of them. I am just as interested in electro-magnetic vehicles that displace themselves against cosmic energy, especially considering their range should be much greater than any ionocraft.

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    Did NASA Just Admit Aliens Have Visited Earth?

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    Zero Point - Classified Anti Gravity Craft - UFO Full Documentary by James Allen R.I.P.


    A re-post as the previous one has been removed, this is the best Docie on the subject.
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    I certainly believe that in the past an advanced civilization could have existed and attained space flight. It is very possible that they are now returning to check us out. I don't think this is mystical, magical or supernatural. It would be wonderful is ancient Aryan's exist on other worlds.
    "This World We Cannot Tolerate,
    It's Time To Seal All Preachers Fate,
    And Hang Them All,
    From Odin's Tree!"
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    If aliens exist, they clearly don't have any power here. You can accuse aliens of anything you want and there's never any response or reaction.

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    Advanced Alien Civilizations May Produce 'Technosignatures' That We Could Find, Experts Say

    BELLEVUE, Wash. — If life evolved on other planets as it did on Earth, aliens may be zooming around in vehicles that belch pollution into space. Or they might have had their very own Edison — and a planet blanketed in artificial light.

    A group of astronomers is searching for these strange signals from distant exoplanets, or what are called "technosignatures," because they may point to the existence of intelligent civilizations elsewhere in the cosmos. The term "technosignature" is a relatively new one, first coined in 2007 by astronomer Jill Tarter, who at the time was the director of the Center for SETI Research.

    But even before the birth of the term, astronomers have been searching for technosignatures, the most popular one being radio transmissions. Practically speaking, that often meant looking for something strange — an anomaly in the data that could indicate the presence of something unnatural — like a planet that's a bit too bright. Historically, that search wasn't taken seriously. Now, however, scientists say they may have a real shot at finding such signals — as long as they look for the right things in the right places.

    What would such technosignatures look like? For instance, when scanning distant exoplanets, data anomalies such as an unusual atmospheric makeup could be a clue to "complex life engineering its environment," said Joseph Lazio, an astronomer at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, during a talk at the Astrobiology Science Conference on June 26. But scientists must be cautious; that same signal "could just be a planet covered in pond scum that's producing oxygen," Lazio said.

    Another possible technosignature is the ultrafast blinking of a star. "If you see a star, say, blinking on and off faster than a microsecond, that's not obviously a natural phenomenon," he said. What's more, almost any reasonably advanced civilization could create such a signature.

    "It's not really all that difficult, we can do it today on a lab bench," Lazio said. Humans have created lasers, for example, that release photons trillions of times a second, he added.

    Radio waves beaming through space at a certain frequency may also be a clue to intelligent alien civilizations. Natural sources don't typically produce radio waves within a very narrow range of frequencies, Lazio said. And yet, "it's really easy for us to do it" artificially, Lazio said. So if we can do it ... couldn't E.T.?

    Searching for life in the cosmos has historically focused on finding biosignatures, or biological signals, such as oxygen left behind when living creatures breathe. Today, we have many ways to detect biosignatures.

    Similarly, there are several major classes of technosignatures: chemical signatures such as atmospheric pollution; megastructures that reflect, absorb or block light from a planet's host star; "self-luminous" signals such as artificial illumination, radio or laser communication; and waste heat, which is "an unavoidable result of any kind of activity," Svetlana Berdyugina, the director of the Kiepenheuer Institute for Solar Physics in Freiburg, Germany, said during the talk. (Waste heat is produced by machines or other processes that use energy).

    Berdyugina and her team are looking for optical signals. As a planet travels around its own star, the light that is reflected by the planet changes, depending on where the planet is in its rotation and in its orbit. Stitching together signals produced by that reflected light over time, researchers can create what's called a light curve. That, in turn, could provide a glimpse of the planetary surface — and any unusual features there, Berdyugina said. For example, a giant megastructure will reflect light in a very different way, than, say, an empty field.

    Berdyugina and her team previously used this technique to resolve geographic features, such as mountains and craters, on planets and moons in our own solar system, as well as on simulated exoplanets. Now, they are working to understand if this technique could reveal weird shapes and artificial illumination on a planet's surface.

    There are also other programs searching for light signal, such as a 10-year initiative from the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI), called Breakthrough Listen. That team is surveying thousands of stars for not only optical signals but also radio signals.

    While astronomers could dream up a nearly infinite list of potential technosignatures, only a handful are worth looking for.

    "The game is to try and figure out something that is artificial but is also feasibly detectable," Thomas Beatty, an assistant astronomer at the Steward Observatory of the University of Arizona, told Live Science. "I think we are closer than a lot of people imagine."

    One possibility? Myriad night lights, illuminating the surface of a distant world, Beatty said at a talk at the conference. And a proposed, space-based telescope called the Large UV Optical Infrared Surveyor (LUVOIR) could be a perfect tool to hunt for them. If it gets built, LUVOIR will use its 26- to 52-foot (8 to 16 meters) mirror to scan exoplanets and measure gases in their atmosphere. But the same telescope could also indirectly detect technosignatures, he added.

    At the point where you could feasibly detect — really strongly detect — oxygen levels in an atmosphere, you should also be able to detect city lights, he said. Of course, oxygen levels are going to be detected at an "exquisite" level of precision, and by comparison, light pollution from cities will not be easy to find.

    Existing land-based telescopes, such as the Extremely Large Telescope or the Giant Magellan Telescope, might also be able to detect city lights on alien planets, he said. Unlike LUVOIR, however, these Earthbound tools would be somewhat impeded by our own atmosphere. So city lights would have to be really strong — an exoplanet would have to have 10 or 20 times as many cities as Earth does. Those densely packed planets would have to be "like a future Earth from the year 2200," in order for us to find them, he said.

    The search for technosignatures doesn't have to break the bank, either. "In some cases, it's only a marginal cost," Lazio said. That's because technosignatures may be hidden in data we already have; all we need to do is find them. And technosignatures (like city lights), and biosignatures (like city lights) could be detected simultaneously, Berdyugina said.

    But not everyone is convinced that the search will turn up anything.

    Unlike biosignatures, alien technosignatures might be too faint, said Gustavo Cruz Diaz, a postdoctoral fellow at the NASA Ames Research Center who attended the talks, but was not involved in the research. "If extraterrestrial life looks at us, they will not find a [single] technosignature," he told Live Science after the talk. Even though we think we have an advanced civilization, from a distant perch in space, we simply haven't modified our planet enough to be detected — at least with our existing technology. "You have to cover the entire Earth with cities to know there is something there,” Cruz Diaz said.

    What's more, technology is ever-changing, and so we might be searching for the wrong things at the wrong time, said Andrew Mattioda, a research scientist at NASA Ames Research Center in Mountain View, California, who also attended the talk. Trying to use signals from technology "to identify another civilization is like trying to hit a moving target," he said. "You don't know what technology is going to be."

    Earthbound scientists are also constrained by what we know. Hunting aliens with technosignatures may be like searching for missing keys under a streetlight because that's the only place we can see, Beatty said.

    Even so, we can only hunt for what we can imagine being out there, he suggested. As Shakespeare writes, "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." But we have to have a starting point, and so the reasonable, the logical starting point, is to look for something like Earth," Beatty added.

    Historically, the search for technosignatures has been much less popular than the hunt for biosignatures, especially in terms of funding, Lazio said. Nor has the search always been taken seriously by other astronomers, Beatty said. But that's now changing, in large part because "we've become very good at measuring exoplanet atmospheres" and small signals around exoplanets, Beatty said.

    So, it's possible that as our humble Earthling technology improves, the hunt for technosignatures may gain more respect. After all, searching for life on other worlds "used to be something that seemed very pie in the sky," he said. "Whereas now, it's something we seriously think about today."
    https://www.livescience.com/search-f...ignatures.html

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