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    I guess it cannot be considered a war crime, but the German Exodus from Transylvania, Banat and Bucovina left deserted hundreds of villages and tens of towns in which the Germans were the majority. The Romanians shortly replaced them and the German history of the region (that goes back to the 13th century) is hardly remembered... I think that after 800 years of inhabiting the area Germans cannot be considered aliens to those lands! Not to mention that they were the very founders of most of the settlements they lived in.

    I will post in another thread some official statistical data.

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    The propaganda of the victor!

    Unfortunately history is nearly always the propaganda of the victor, it is often untrue. You are so right, much of the stuff concerning the war is very one sided. There were good and bad acts on both sides. How often do we hear of the RAF being put down for what they did to Dresden? There was no strategic value whatsoever in destroying that historic city! It became a gigantic firestorm. The very air was so hot people were jumping into the river to try and get away from the red hot roaring cyclone blasting through the streets. If that was not an evil bloody minded act I don't know what was? Another thing that bothers me is that we rarely if ever get war films made from the German perspective. Most of the German guys were called up for service as were our guys. Soldiers are soldiers regardless of what side they are on. They all did their part, so many of them suffered and so many lives were lost. All that are fallen are somebody's children. See this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIRte...eature=related Very sad! here are the words:

    Deutsch:

    Ich hatt' einen Kameraden,
    Einen bessern findst du nit.
    Die Trommel schlug zum Streite,
    Er ging an meiner Seite
    |: In gleichem Schritt und Tritt. :|

    Eine Kugel kam geflogen:
    Gilt's mir oder gilt es dir?
    Ihn hat es weggerissen,
    Er liegt vor meinen Füßen
    |: Als wär's ein Stück von mir :|

    Will mir die Hand noch reichen,
    Derweil ich eben lad'.
    "Kann dir die Hand nicht geben,
    Bleib du im ew'gen Leben
    |: Mein guter Kamerad!" :|

    English:

    In battle he was my comrade,
    None better I have had.
    The drum called us to fight,
    He always on my right,
    |: In step, through good and bad. :|

    A bullet it flew towards us,
    For him or meant for me?
    His life from mine it tore,
    At my feet a piece of gore,
    |: As if a part of me. :|

    His hand reached up to hold mine.
    I must re-load my gun.
    "My friend, I cannot ease your pain,
    In life eternal we’ll meet again,
    |: And walk once more as one." :|

    I would be interested as to how other people feel about the one sidedness of information on the war?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky v View Post
    Here is my 2 cents from an eye witness account from a Danube Swabian (my Mother). I could not care less if anyone believes me or doubts the veracity of this story.

    My mother's family lived in the Vojvodina region of Austria-Hungary (Serbia after WWI) for hundreds of years. They and the people of their town were mostly simple farmers. My mother stated in Autumn 1944, things started to get bad, i.e., people being abducted at night and murdered by partizaners, serb neighbors threatening what was to come, and people being sniped while working the fields. At one point a train of Germans was derailed and the Serbs massacred the passengers, including carving swastikas in faces and turning pigs loose on the remains. The bodies were mostly identified by their hair.

    Miraculously for my family they were evacuated by the Wehrmacht who came through the town. As for the differences between Germans and Slavs, my Mom says the Wermacht did not need to ask who the Germans were in the town, because they would just look at the upkeep on the homes. Eventually my family made it to Salzburg and stayed in a refugee camp before coming to the U.S.

    These are just a few of the incidents that my Mom has told me. I am sure the older Danube Swabians have more vivid memories and instances of crimes against ethnic Germans.

    Of course, most revisionists and Americans will insist that these things never took place, or in fact, if it did the people deserved it. Keep in mind these crimes were committed against simple civillians, not against Wermacht or SS soldiers The position that these people deserved it shows who the real beastial war criminals were/are. I for one will speak out and fight until I die so that the truth is known regarding the expulsion and war crimes against Germans during and after the war.
    I bet you that the most upkept homes where owned by Jews, and luckily they're not there anymore. But I share your sorrow.

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    WWII Truths

    This is in reply to some of the atrocities against Germans at the end of WWII.
    Some of the most brutal atrocities were committed by the Russian communist regime at the end of WWII.
    Believe it or not all you have to do is research the directives put out to the Russians troops by the Russian administrators towards the end of the war.
    One of the most brutal ones was a directive from the Russians minister of defense which directed that all the German women should be raped as the troops occupied Germany after the war.
    People like to assume that radical individuals just spout off whatever they can to get a rise out of people, but you'll find a lot of times their views are amplified versions of truths.
    The key to investigation is finding the truth, and a lot of times that means sifting through multiple view points of any situation. History is usually written by the winners and according to the ideals of the masses...and we all know that if you buy and believe everything the masses tell you then you would surely live a blind existence in this life.

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    There were definitely war crimes committed against the Germans in WWII, of course, the bombing of Dresden and the ethnic cleansing of eastern Prussia comes to mind. I still wish things were different and Germany was as large as it was before and during WWI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjorkobeck View Post
    Unfortunately history is nearly always the propaganda of the victor, it is often untrue. You are so right, much of the stuff concerning the war is very one sided. There were good and bad acts on both sides. How often do we hear of the RAF being put down for what they did to Dresden? There was no strategic value whatsoever in destroying that historic city! It became a gigantic firestorm. The very air was so hot people were jumping into the river to try and get away from the red hot roaring cyclone blasting through the streets. If that was not an evil bloody minded act I don't know what was? Another thing that bothers me is that we rarely if ever get war films made from the German perspective. Most of the German guys were called up for service as were our guys. Soldiers are soldiers regardless of what side they are on. They all did their part, so many of them suffered and so many lives were lost. All that are fallen are somebody's children. See this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIRte...eature=related Very sad! here are the words:

    Deutsch:

    Ich hatt' einen Kameraden,
    Einen bessern findst du nit.
    Die Trommel schlug zum Streite,
    Er ging an meiner Seite
    |: In gleichem Schritt und Tritt.

    Eine Kugel kam geflogen:
    Gilt's mir oder gilt es dir?
    Ihn hat es weggerissen,
    Er liegt vor meinen Füßen
    |: Als wär's ein Stück von mir

    Will mir die Hand noch reichen,
    Derweil ich eben lad'.
    "Kann dir die Hand nicht geben,
    Bleib du im ew'gen Leben
    |: Mein guter Kamerad!"

    English:

    In battle he was my comrade,
    None better I have had.
    The drum called us to fight,
    He always on my right,
    |: In step, through good and bad.

    A bullet it flew towards us,
    For him or meant for me?
    His life from mine it tore,
    At my feet a piece of gore,
    |: As if a part of me.

    His hand reached up to hold mine.
    I must re-load my gun.
    "My friend, I cannot ease your pain,
    In life eternal we’ll meet again,
    |: And walk once more as one."

    I would be interested as to how other people feel about the one sidedness of information on the war?
    I went to the link on youtube, before the video played there was a warning page saying the following video has been identified as being potentially offensive or inappropriate.
    How the hell can anyone say that was offensive? The youtube warning offended me......who the hell owns that site? I could make an educated guess though.

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    Zogbot wrote, “The soul of Germany cries out not for forgiveness, but for vengeance?”

    Let me get out a mackerel. Or a rubber chicken. I am now smiting you with it. Repeat after me. Wrong. Bad.

    Why? The best revenge is living well. Making others wish to emulate your superior abilities ideally without you playing overlord. Otherwise it’s the old eye for an eye and we get war after war after war. Reboot again and again and again as karma plays out.

    War is always hell on earth. There is no need for vengeance. The reality of what World War II did to the men who waged it played out in the Beat Generation of the 1950’s, the Anti-War Protests of the 1960’s, the malaise of the 1970’s where people drugged themselves and drank to forget. Look to the films, the books, the news articles about the fragmentation of society, all the divided families, the civil wars in Germany (East and West), the USA and in Italy, France, Japan as the Young and their parents failed to connect because the horrors of war changed their fathers, their mothers.

    We are as we are today because of the wars our ancestors survived.

    If you decide you want vengeance, recall the people who did the wrong are now likely dead or senile. You would target the wrong people to avenge yourself. Many people in the USA are of Germanic stock. Post-war, many “war brides” and good people immigrated to the USA and the UK after the war. We’re all interconnected. Culture can transcend race. If you perpetuate your culture, you have reproduced yourself. What my German-American schoolmarm great-great aunt did when she taught turn of-the-20th century immigrant children how to be Americans. How to work hard. Do a job right with pride. How to be civil to others. To give charity where it was needed. Sound familiar? Culture replicates itself when it is superior.

    I think of a quote by the consummate soldier and commando Otto Skorzeny. How he was concerned that the black/white, good/bad post-war trials in Germany meant that the, “condemnations gave birth, in fact, to a new conception which makes the victor a hero and the vanquished an odious criminal.”

    I’m not sure it happened. Not in our camp. My father, a World War II US Army Corps navigator always told us kids and everyone who got into war discussions that he admired the German people, that the Nazis – the gung-ho men who thought that they had the right to crush anyone they pleased to get ahead- they were bad.

    My father was at pains to make sure we kids understood that he did not condemn the Germans but their leaders. He explained that all victors are not heroes and all vanquished are not evil.

    The moral issues were more complicated in Germany since all able-bodied persons were sent into military service and indoctrination from a young, impressionable age (not unlike what is happening in the Middle East today where it’s just as likely that World War III breaks out because one Islamic sect wishes to kill off another because one group killed the other’s leader hundreds of years ago).

    I think everyone agrees that Hitler and the men who clustered around the Leader were very wrong, very bad. That’s why there were many assassination attempts within the ranks. The problem was that when you set up a leader in a totalitarian state and he is bad, wrong, nuts, often the only way to remove him is by violence. In Italy, the Grand Fascist Council removed Mussolini peacefully, not that it worked. Hitler set up Il Duce in a puppet republic which only prolonged the war. When laws change, step-by-step, legally at first, the noose tightens. Few anywhere understood where it would go then.

    This scenario could, of course, happen again. Anywhere.

    You might say my father was a victor, but he never felt like that as a career officer. He was respectful and admired his counterparts in Japan and Europe where he served in the late 5o‘s and 60’s where we enjoyed many trips to Germany to soak up the culture and to be amazed that we already knew some German (I didn’t know that when my mom snapped at us, ‘Machts snell,’ it was German).

    I would like you to know that in old age one thing preyed heavily on my father mind, the injustice of war. He never savored “victory.”

    “They called us heroes,” he sobbed when he knew he was dying, “But we knew that we’d killed civilians down there when we bombed the factories and it was wrong.” Up until then he didn’t talk that much about the war except for stories which weren’t about the horrors even though he lived through The Blitz in London, sitting in a flat with his English girlfriend waiting for a Doodlebug’s engines to cut out.

    Throughout my father’s life he suffered great emotional distress from time to time as his generation did – “bombardier shakes” they called it. Shell-shock. What happens to real men when they are in real war and as soldiers they are given orders which they personally, morally feel wrong. This still happens today to soldiers everywhere. Some turn to drink. Some to drugs. Some to religion but it is still there, poisoning the soul.

    War does not bring vengeance, it shatters lives on all sides. War is conflicting ideologies played out and who loses? Us.

    Regarding the war crimes of the Allies. US General Patton understood war and peace, perhaps too well when he spoke in a press conference in Regensburg, Germany in May of 1945. He’d been asked if the captured SS troops were to be treated differently than the thousands of other German POWs.

    He said: "No. SS means no more in Germany than being a Democrat in America -- that is not to be quoted. I mean by that that initially the SS people were special sons of bitches, but as the war progressed they ran out of sons of bitches and then they put anybody in there. Some of the top SS men will be treated as criminals, but there is no reason for trying someone who was drafted into this outfit . . ."

    Naturally he was quoted out of context, furor ensued and Patton conveniently died of pneumonia after a serious traffic accident one day before he was to leave Germany. It’s rumored he planned to go on the stump to the American people and tell them what really happened in the war. He was resigning his commission so that he would be free to speak. Not retiring with benefits which would require him to hold his tongue.

    Conspiracy theorists also note the too convenient death of another military hero, another maverick. In 1940 a much decorated Marine war hero, born a Quaker, also died in a military hospital. General Smedley Butler had been touring the country, telling the American public that “war is a racket” which is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the very many.”

    Here’s a link to what he was telling the people of America from 1935. http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html.

    It’s interesting that in his book, Smedley, old “Blood and Guts,” called war veterans, “the living dead.” That might explain in our post-Gulf War era why so many of us play zombie-killing games.

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    Don't forget that the Chinese make nearly everything you buy these days. I've heard that they also are buying up the massive US national debt. A clever way to take us all over with beads and trinkets. Fortunately because of the one-child rule and males being the preferred sex, they'll have to come to the USA to marry a Chinese girl because a lot of them were adopted over here.

    The price of convenience is often wage slavery but most countries aren't self-sufficient anymore.

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    Saw an interesting website today and thought it would be nice to share it here. This thread looks to me the most appropriate for it.

    The Physical and Cultural Destruction of Germany
    Lieber tot als Sklave!

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