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    I was honestly not aware of this movie & article, until now. There are many other articles, of which I am familiar with, documenting Allied War Crimes against the Germans, during WWII, but I believe that many of the other forum members & myself have posted some of them earlier in this thread or in similar threads on this board.

    Stalin's army of rapists: The brutal war crime that Russia and Germany tried to ignore

    By ANDREW ROBERTS
    Last updated at 11:55 PM on 24th October 2008


    Relations between Russia and Germany have not been good since Vladimir Putin's nationalist sabre-rattling this summer, but they are about to get a whole lot worse.

    A new film about to be released in Germany will force both countries to re-examine part of their recent history that each would much prefer to forget. Yet it is right that the ghastly truth should finally be acknowledged.
    The movie, A Woman In Berlin, is based on the diary of the German journalist Marta Hillers and depicts the horror of the Red Army's capture of the capital of the Third Reich in April and May 1945.

    Relations between Russia and Germany have not been good since Vladimir Putin's nationalist sabre-rattling this summer, but they are about to get a whole lot worse.

    A new film about to be released in Germany will force both countries to re-examine part of their recent history that each would much prefer to forget. Yet it is right that the ghastly truth should finally be acknowledged.
    The movie, A Woman In Berlin, is based on the diary of the German journalist Marta Hillers and depicts the horror of the Red Army's capture of the capital of the Third Reich in April and May 1945.

    Marta was one of two million German women who were raped by soldiers of the Red Army - in her case, as in so many others, several times over.
    It was a feature of Russia's 'liberation' and occupation of eastern Germany at the end of World War II that is familiar enough to historians, but which neither country cares to acknowledge took place on anything like the scale it did.

    For Russia, the episode besmirches the fine name of the Red Army that had fought so hard and suffered so much in its four-year campaign against the Wehrmacht.

    The courage and resilience of the ordinary Russian in what they called the Great Patriotic War is incontestable, and for every five German soldiers killed in action in the whole of World War II, four died on the Eastern Front.
    Yet the knowledge that the victorious Red Army committed mass rape across Prussia and eastern Germany as they closed in on Berlin degrades its reputation, which is unacceptable to many Russians today.
    When the historian Antony Beevor wrote about it in his book Berlin: The Downfall, the Russian ambassador to London, Grigory Karasin, accused him of 'an act of blasphemy', saying: 'It is a slander against the people who saved the world from Nazism.'

    Similarly, living Germans do not want the events that humiliated and violated them, their mothers and grandmothers to be held up to public examination, as this movie promises to do.

    For many German women, the memory was something they sublimated and never spoke about to their husbands returning from the front.
    It was the great unmentionable fact of 1945, which is coming out not just in history books, but in front of a mass, international audience. Painful memories of gross sexual abuse are being dragged out and held up to the pitiless witness of the silver screen.

    Furthermore for the Germans, there is also the added sense that had it not been for Operation Barbarossa, Hitler's invasion of the USSR, these crimes would never have been committed against German womanhood in the first place.

    Three million German troops crossed the Soviet border in June 1941 in an attempt to extirpate the Russian state, and the Nazi commitment to
    Total War produced atrocities so terrible that they were bound to be avenged once the Red Army reached German soil.

    As so often in war, it was to be defenceless women, girls and even elderly ladies who were to pay in pain and outrage for the crimes of their male compatriots.

    Many had abortions or were treated for the syphilis they caught. And as for the so-called Russenbabies - the children born out of rape - many were abandoned.

    Complete Article:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-ignore.html

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    No one has mentioned anything about the Rhine Meadow Camps yet?

    The Soviets put German POWs and civilians in the concentration camps they (Germans) built, but the Allies put them in barbed wire enclosures set up overnight












    ''Like moles''. Up to 10000 german POWs died in this camps from starvation, dehydration and exposure to the weather elements after the end of the war.
    http://www.ww2incolor.com/german/Dl100Td2W_15.html







    · The prisoners remained fully exposed to the elements with no proper or adequate shelter, also constant exposure to the cold low temperatures, with varied frost, rain and sleet again always without cover and sitting or lying down on the cold damp ground which always turned into a bottomless quagmire of mud and slush.



    · The prisoners were not allowed to build any makeshift shelters. Tents were not allowed to be distributed even though German army depots as well as American ones were still full of them.



    · The prisoners in sheer desperation had no other option but to dig holes in the ground to protect themselves against the icy cold. Over and over they were reprimanded by the US Army guards and threatened not to do it again, then many times forced at gunpoint to fill the holes in with dirt again and again. US Army bulldozers were often wheeled through the camps to flatten the little remaining shelter the prisoners had provided for themselves and earlier as unseen by the guards outside on the perimeter from the absolute masses of men crowded into these open field Rhine meadow camps. Those German soldiers who were to weak or not fast enough to move out of their makeshift holes were spared no mercy and were literally crushed into the ground by the bulldozers.

    source:http://www.rheinwiesenlager.de/English!.htm
    http://www.rheinwiesenlager.de/
    I will add some more quotes later, I am too tired to add anymore tonight

    http://www.whale.to/b/starvation_of_germans.html
    http://www.cyberussr.com/hcunn/for/us-germany-pow.html

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    War crimes

    One name comes to mind - Dresden - firebombed for no apparent reason then pure destruction. A shame.

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    War Crimes ?

    Remember it was "Total War" sponsored by and prosecuted by, German National Socialism, Italian Fascism, and Japanese War Mongering and met in kind. As for statistics, the following is an approximate "Laundry Bill":

    Nazi Germany:
    approx. 5.5 million dead Military
    approx. 2.0 million dead Civilian

    Empire of Japan:
    approx. 2.1 million dead Military
    approx. .6 million dead Civilian

    Fascist Italy:
    approx. .3 million dead Military
    approx. .1 million dead Civilian

    Combined Allied Losses:
    approx 17 million dead Military
    approx 44.3 million dead Civilian

    Compare the numbers, and you want to talk about "Allied Atrocities"? Talk about disingenous!

    "Old Uncle Joe", put it all into perspective, "A single death is a tragedy. Millions but a mere statistic".

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    See Antony Beevor "The Fall of Berlin" for some examples.

    http://www.amazon.com/Fall-Berlin-19.../dp/0142002801

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    Quote Originally Posted by wittwer View Post
    Remember it was "Total War" sponsored by and prosecuted by, German National Socialism, Italian Fascism, and Japanese War Mongering and met in kind. As for statistics, the following is an approximate "Laundry Bill":

    Nazi Germany:
    approx. 5.5 million dead Military
    approx. 2.0 million dead Civilian

    Empire of Japan:
    approx. 2.1 million dead Military
    approx. .6 million dead Civilian

    Fascist Italy:
    approx. .3 million dead Military
    approx. .1 million dead Civilian

    Combined Allied Losses:
    approx 17 million dead Military
    approx 44.3 million dead Civilian

    Compare the numbers, and you want to talk about "Allied Atrocities"? Talk about disingenous!

    "Old Uncle Joe", put it all into perspective, "A single death is a tragedy. Millions but a mere statistic".
    Absolute garbage. Really, where do you get such drivel?!

    Neither you nor anyone can blame Germany for WWII and the resultant atrocities. It Churchill and Roosevelt had accepted Hitler's very generous peace proposals, war with the democracies would have ended in 1939 or 1940.

    Those numbers you have quoted are utterly absurd. Any regime that allies itself with Communist Russia would have been barbaric.

    Sudetan Germans being punished after the war by the Democratic Allies.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoO9NI1Zc7c

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoBear View Post
    Same as my family, same situation as you if you have any info please let me know and i will give you mine.
    Hi WoBear, are you still here?
    I obviously didnt click the notify reply button so this is the first Ive seen of your reply.
    I have no info, do you?

    AS for the topic everyone, Ive just finished this book, well worth reading.
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Terrible-Revenge-Cleansing-European-Germans/dp/1403973083/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1299115186&sr=8-1"]
    Quote Originally Posted by WoBear View Post
    Same as my family, same situation as you if you have any info please let me know and i will give you mine.
    Hi WoBear, are you still here? I obviously didnt click the notify reply button so this is the first Ive seen of your reply. I have no info, do you? AS for the topic everyone, Ive just finished this book, well worth reading. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Terrible-Rev...9115186&sr=8-1[/URL]

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    Sudetan Germans being punished after the war by the Democratic Allies.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoO9NI1Zc7c[/QUOTE]

    As I cannot understand the language, can you definately confirm these are German civilians being executed?

    Why does the film then go on to show how Jewish schools are acknowledging the Russians role in the salvation of Jews?
    The two clips seem at odds with each other?

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    Here is my 2 cents from an eye witness account from a Danube Swabian (my Mother). I could not care less if anyone believes me or doubts the veracity of this story.

    My mother's family lived in the Vojvodina region of Austria-Hungary (Serbia after WWI) for hundreds of years. They and the people of their town were mostly simple farmers. My mother stated in Autumn 1944, things started to get bad, i.e., people being abducted at night and murdered by partizaners, serb neighbors threatening what was to come, and people being sniped while working the fields. At one point a train of Germans was derailed and the Serbs massacred the passengers, including carving swastikas in faces and turning pigs loose on the remains. The bodies were mostly identified by their hair.

    Miraculously for my family they were evacuated by the Wehrmacht who came through the town. As for the differences between Germans and Slavs, my Mom says the Wermacht did not need to ask who the Germans were in the town, because they would just look at the upkeep on the homes. Eventually my family made it to Salzburg and stayed in a refugee camp before coming to the U.S.

    These are just a few of the incidents that my Mom has told me. I am sure the older Danube Swabians have more vivid memories and instances of crimes against ethnic Germans.

    Of course, most revisionists and Americans will insist that these things never took place, or in fact, if it did the people deserved it. Keep in mind these crimes were committed against simple civillians, not against Wermacht or SS soldiers The position that these people deserved it shows who the real beastial war criminals were/are. I for one will speak out and fight until I die so that the truth is known regarding the expulsion and war crimes against Germans during and after the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralf Rossa View Post
    Sudetan Germans being punished after the war by the Democratic Allies.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoO9NI1Zc7c
    As I cannot understand the language, can you definately confirm these are German civilians being executed?

    Why does the film then go on to show how Jewish schools are acknowledging the Russians role in the salvation of Jews?
    The two clips seem at odds with each other?[/QUOTE]

    This is the particular massacre the video pertains to:

    "It is about a massacre committed by Soviet troops and Chechoslovakian Volunteers against the Sudeten Germans at the end of the war. No English subs sorry. The images are brutal though, some of this was shown here for the first time. This stuff you won´t find on the Western media.

    This was aired on Chech TV some years ago and sparked a heated debate. The second part is about the honouring of red army soldiers by Israel."

    http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scr...ok/desg29.html

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