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    War Crimes

    I doubt conflicts are possible without random, malicious acts by anyone with power.

    If the question is premeditation, I found "The Order of the Death's Head" by Heinz Höhne enlightening in researching family history.

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    Iam still looking for details of the ethnic cleansing of West Prussians after the 1st world war, and one of the reasons Hitler invaded Poland.
    My family had to flee West Prussia into Germany to escape the persecution, leaving all thier belongings behind them.

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    Sad

    Good write Lagergeld.
    The soul of Germany cries out not for forgiveness, but for vengeance.

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    War Crimes Against Germans (WWII)

    I agree 100% with Zogbot:THERE MUST BE REVENGE! We Germanics must now for once and all shed the filthy shackles of Christianity and revert to our root-believes and 'Art'.

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    Yes, I believe that the mistreatment of Germany must be redeemed in blood.
    A number of German artists have created classical art works depicting heinous atrocities perpetrated on Germanic peoples by the gangsters "allies" before, during and after WW2. I would like to share this art with you and enlist any of you who are like minded into an effort to contact and support those brave and brilliant German artists who have never sucuumbed to the constant drum fire of anti-German propaganda which has been going on for over 80 years without pause.

    I reject political correctness and individual or group fear of being name called. For a hundred years, any anti-communist has been labeled by the reds as "fascist." Fascists are also called Nazi. Those of you who fear such repercussions are exhibiting excess timidity and lack of character.
    You are what you are. If you let name-calling inhibit you, then you are a coward, or worse, you will never say anything truthful.
    Weasel words, euphemisms and vagueness only protects those who are shadow people, without substance. They usually delude themselves with such pious self-talk as, "I am surviving. I provide moral support. I cannot endure being called names. etc." They don't build or struggle, they endure the chains of slavery while hoping that others will save them.
    It would be instructive to learn how many of you vehemently disagree with me.

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    The purpose of blood revenge is to deny the adversary any advantage gained from his attack, and in understanding this a people will know to prepare the defense of its gains or even include it in the careful planning of an attack. Revenge is certainly not meant to be an impotent fantasy.

    When considering "War Crimes Against Germans", the only part that can be of significance to a German is the latter half. This is not a question of self-pity, which is nowadays systematically replaced with compulsory pity for our victims, it is a question of maintaining a consciousness for our position in the world and possible ways of advancing it.

    Playing games with guilt and excuses may be a viable means of manipulating weaker minds, but it also threatens to reinforce a treasonous belief in universal justice, which is left by the wayside with increased mental clarity.

    In short, the recounting of events is not nearly as important as the mindset that illuminates their meaning. It is the latter that propaganda efforts must subtly alter and repair.

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    THE trial of a 78-year-old Pole accused of killing thousands of German civilians in the aftermath of the Second World War is set to become the first of a series of court cases in which Germans are seen as the victims instead of the perpetrators of Nazi-related crimes.

    The trial, scheduled to begin early next year in the Polish city of Opole, has created a furore over a part of Poland's recent history which it would like to ignore.

    Czeslaw Geborski, the accused, is said to have systematically raped, tortured and murdered German civilians while serving as commandant at the Lambinowice concentration camp in Silesia, where Germans living in the region were interned after the war.

    Frantiszek Lewandowski, one of the prosecutors in the case, said: "The main charge we are bringing against him is that he ordered a building in the camp to be burned down, killing 48 people. As people tried to escape the flames, he personally shot them or had them flung back inside."

    The concentration camp was initially built by the Nazis to house Allied PoWs. For most Poles it is inextricably associated with wartime atrocities committed by the Germans. The trial is set to reverse those roles and portray a Pole as the villain, something simply unacceptable to many who lived through the German occupation and the death of an estimated three million civilian Polish Jews and three million non-Jewish Poles through bombings and in concentration camps.
    Full article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...e-Germans.html

    The next few excerpts are taken from this: http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan...cres_axis.html
    There are too many to post, I have posted the first 4 or so
    STARVATION AT REMAGEN

    After the capture of the Remagen Bridge, the US Army hastily erected around 19 Prisoner of War cages around the bridge-head to hold an estimated one million prisoners. The camps were simply open fields surrounded by concertina wire. Those at the Rhine Meadows were situated at Remagen, Bad Kreuznach, Andernach, Buderich, Rheinbach and Sinzig. The German prisoners were hopeful of good treatment from the GIs but in this they were sadly disappointed. Herded into the open spaces like cattle, some were beaten and mistreated. No tents or toilets were supplied. The camps became huge latrines, a sea of urine from one end to the other. They had to sleep in holes in the ground which they dug with their bare hands. In the Bad Kreuznach cage, 560,000 men were interned in an area that could only comfortably hold 45,000. Denied enough food and water, they were forced to eat the grass under their feet and the camps soon became a sea of mud. After the concentration camps were discovered, their treatment became worse as the GIs vented their rage on the hapless prisoners.

    In the five camps around Bretzenheim, prisoners had to survive on 600-850 calories per day. With bloated bellies and teeth falling out, they died by the thousands. During the two and a half months (April-May, 1945) when the camps were under American control, a total of 18,100 prisoners died from malnutrition, disease and exposure. This extremely harsh treatment at the hands of the Americans resulted in the deaths of over 50,000 German prisoners-of-war in the Rhine Meadows camps alone in the months just before and after the war ended. It must however be borne in mind that with the best will in the world it proved almost impossible to care for such a huge number of prisoners under the strict terms of the Geneva Convention. The task of guarding these prisoners, numbering around 920,000, fell to the men of the US 106th Infantry Division. The Remagen cage was set up to accommodate 100,000 men but ended up with twice that number. On the first afternoon 35,000 prisoners were counted through the gate. About 10,000 of these required urgent medical attention which in most cases was completely absent. All roads leading to the camps were clogged with hundreds of trucks bringing in even more prisoners, sent to the rear by the advancing 9th US Army. By April 15, 1945, 1.3 million prisoners were in American hands. At war's end, 1,056,482 German prisoners were held in US camps in Europe, 692,895 were classified as Prisoners of War and 365,587 classified as DEF's (Disarmed Enemy Forces) In May, 1945, the number of prisoners held in Allied camps in northern Europe numbered 5,235,700.

    Tourists, cruising down the Rhine today can pick out a small memorial and plaque built on the site of the former POW cage. In the Remagen cemetery there are 1,200 graves and at Bad Kreuznach, 1,000 graves.
    HOW MANY?

    Just how many German POWs died in Allied camps? For over forty years we have been told that many hundreds of thousands of German soldiers had died in Soviet prison camps while at the same time keeping quiet about the number of prisoners who had died in American, French and British camps. In 1997, around 1.1 million German soldiers were still officially listed as missing. According to the recently opened Soviet archives, which have been proved to be extremely precise and detailed, the Red Army captured 2,389,560 German soldiers. Of these, 423,168 died in captivity. In October, 1951, the West German government stated in the United Nations that 1.1 million soldiers had not returned home. In other words, we were led to believe they had died in Soviet camps. If we subtract the proven number of deaths in Soviet camps from the missing in Germany we arrive at the figure of around 677,000. Where are these men?. They must have been interned by the western Allies, the greatest majority being held in American and French camps where they died in their thousands through deliberate starvation, disease and hard work.

    The standards set by the Geneva Convention were, in most cases, totally ignored by the Americans and French in relation to their treatment of German prisoners-of-war. The French deliberately starved many of their POWs in order to force them to join the French Foreign Legion. Thousands of Legionnaires who fought in the Vietnam conflict were Germans, handed over by the Americans to the French in 1945/46 to work as slave labourers in the rebuilding of France's war damaged cities. Conditions in the French camps were just as bad if not worse than in the American camps. It is estimated that at least 167,000 German soldiers died in French captivity between 1945 and 1948.
    ARCHIVE RECORDS

    In a large building in the former French Sector of Berlin is housed the military records of every German soldier who served in World War II. There are kilometres of shelves holding about eighteen million files on every man and woman in the German armed forces. Run by a Director and 364 staff members, they receive around 18,000 requests each year inquiring about family members of whom they have heard nothing since 1945. In a Russian archive at Podolsk, south of Moscow there are names of 700,000 German POWs once held in Soviet prisons, yet the whereabouts of 480,000 of these men remain unresolved today.
    THE WEBLING ATROCITY (April, 1945)

    On the same day that the Dachau Concentration Camp was discovered, a massacre took place in the little hamlet of Webling about ten kilometres from the camp. A Waffen-SS unit had arrived at the hamlet, which consisted of about half a dozen farm houses, barns and the Chapel of St. Leonhard, to take up defensive positions in trenches dug around the farms by French P.O.W. workers. Their orders were to delay the advance of American tanks of the 20th Armoured Division and infantry units of the 7th US Army which was approaching Dachau. The farms, mostly run by women (whose husbands were either dead, prisoners of war or still fighting) with the help of French POWs, came under fire on the morning of 29th April causing all inhabitants to rush for the cellars. One soldier of Company F of the US 222nd Infantry Regiment of the 42nd Rainbow Division, was killed as they entered the hamlet under fire from the Waffen-SS unit. The first German to emerge from the cellar was the owner of the farm, Herr Furtmayer. Informed by the French POWs that only civilians, not SS, were in hiding in the cellers, the GIs proceeded to round up the men of the SS unit. First to surrender was an officer, Freiherr von Truchsess, heading a detachment of seventeen men. The officer was immediately struck with a trenching tool splitting his head open. The other seventeen were lined up in the farmyard and shot. On a slight rise behind the hamlet, another group of eight SS were shot. Their bodies were found lying in a straight line with their weapons and ammunition belts neatly laid on the ground. This would suggest that the men were shot after they surrendered. Altogether, one SS officer and forty one men lay dead as the infantry regiment proceeded on their way towards Dachau. Next day the local people, with the help of the French POWs, buried the bodies in a field to be later exhumed by the German War Graves Commission and returned to their families.
    Photo in link: http://www.ww2incolor.com/dramatic/9SSPD_234_1%23.html
    This photo shows one of 34 german soldiers of 9th SS-Panzer-Division "Hohenstaufen" that were captured by the Red Army in April 1944 in the ukrainian village of Kalasantovka. The mutilated bodies were found by their comrades during the german counter attack on the near-by town of Ternopil. A german eyewitness: "That's not the way soldiers are supposed to act. The hands and the feet of the dead were bound with the ropes of their own tentpieces. Partially the trousers were pulled down and genitals severed. With some the eyes were stabbed, ears and tongue cut off. Furthermore their own bayonet was rammed into the stomach from the downside. Dogtags and other ID's were removed to avoid an identification of the dead. Fortunately most of them had their last names sewn on the inside of their uniform pieces so that a list of the victims could be compiled. However this list was lost later on so that these 34 soldiers are considered officially as "Missing in Action".
    I haven't read this, just found the link on Google and thought it might be of some interest to someone

    Polish Acts of Atrocity against the German Minority in Poland
    by Hans Schadewalt.


    Also found from google, John Sack, An Eye for an Eye: The Untold Story of Jewish Revenge Against Germans in 1945
    excerpts included in link

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    No blood feud

    Quote Originally Posted by Rächer View Post
    I agree 100% with Zogbot:THERE MUST BE REVENGE! We Germanics must now for once and all shed the filthy shackles of Christianity and revert to our root-believes and 'Art'.
    The call for vengeance is understandable from the side of the Germans, but do not forget that it would be vengeance on other Germanic peoples: the British and Dutch for example. And of course many Americans are of Germanic ancestry.

    We must honour the dead, and the courage of the Germanic peoples on BOTH sides of the war. But our energy should not be wasted on blood feuds between brothers. We have a formidable enemy in our own societes, on our streets: Islam!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldgänger View Post
    The call for vengeance is understandable from the side of the Germans, but do not forget that it would be vengeance on other Germanic peoples: the British and Dutch for example. And of course many Americans are of Germanic ancestry.

    We must honour the dead, and the courage of the Germanic peoples on BOTH sides of the war. But our energy should not be wasted on blood feuds between brothers. We have a formidable enemy in our own societes, on our streets: Islam!
    Islam! LOL! You can't be serious. Really. You must be a troll sent here by some government agency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralf Rossa View Post
    Iam still looking for details of the ethnic cleansing of West Prussians after the 1st world war, and one of the reasons Hitler invaded Poland.
    My family had to flee West Prussia into Germany to escape the persecution, leaving all thier belongings behind them.
    Same as my family, same situation as you if you have any info please let me know and i will give you mine.

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