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    Its a racist term that is somehow acceptable because its not against black people or jews thats what it is

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    I have no problem using the term in its modern context.

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    This is how the outside (and sometimes inside, Germanic) world sees Germanic tribes and culture:

    Vandals = trouble makers who deface other people's property, usually at night.

    Goths = Rebellious teens going through a "phase", wearing tons of makeup dressing like it's Halloween every day, and having a negative attitude just about everything in life.

    Balderdash = a board game based off the general term used to denote bluffing, bs'ing, etc. (Balder was an important religious/historical figure embodying light and happiness.)

    Berzerk = crazy, maniacal. Really all this meant was "bare-shirt" or people who would fight without armor. These warriors fought this way believing they would be protected by divine forces. They were usually pretty sane people who just left it all on the battlefield and put their trust in their Gods.

    Halloween = all Hallow's eve, now a considered by some a "Satanic" holiday centered around dressing up in costumes and focusing on supernatural horrors.

    Vikings = uneducated fools who go around with horns on their head and cause havoc to other countries (see Capital One commercials)

    Thor® = Marvel comic book character, well at least he's a good guy superhero instead of a villain.

    Germans = evil Nazis

    Swedes = dumb blondes, but at least their chicks are hot.

    Dutch = Just watch Austin Powers: Goldmember. Need I say more?

    Franks = "I surrender". That one's true. They pretty much surrendered Germanic culture over to Rome. Paris is more of a Roman city now. Of course there were more Gauls there, so it was partly Celtic to begin with.

    Anglo-Saxons = Imperialist stuffy prudes, and general snobs.

    Americans (Germanic) = more imperialists with a crappy culture full of McDonalds, Wal-Mart, and obesity (well this is mostly true, sadly. It wasn't always this way though).

    Romans have put a load of their words into our languages (look at English), and completely overtook the Frankish language with Latin words. Not only that but they confuse the etymology of our own words so that they mean something negative. They rewrite history to say we were useless barbarians before "their" religion of Christianity made Germanic countries into what they are today. (never mind that some of the Goths were Arian Christian).

    I don't even trust most of the translations of Norse "myths" since they were usually done by Roman governmental agents disguised as pious religious clergy. Who knows what our ancestors actually believed? I wouldn't trust a Roman about it.

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    The use of the term Vandalism has relegated the Vandals into a position of historical personae non grata, and has hindered academic and popular interesr in them.

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    The Vandals sacked Rome, but do they deserve their reputation?

    Their name is synonymous with destruction, but the group may not deserve such a harsh legacy.

    OVER THE CENTURIES, their name became so interchangeable with destruction that it became its synonym. But it turns out the Vandals, a Germanic tribe that managed to take over Rome in 455, may not deserve that connotation.

    The first known written reference to the tribe was in A.D. 77, when Pliny the Elder mentioned “Vandilii.” However, the Vandals’ roots are uncertain, and their early history is contested. They are thought to have migrated into what is now Germany from Scandinavia. They may also have included members of the Przeworsk culture, an Iron Age culture that lived in what is now Poland. Historians think they were farmers and cattle herders.

    During the 2nd century A.D., the Vandals began clashing with the Roman Empire. They participated in multiple wars along the Roman frontier, including the Marcommanic Wars along the Danube River, which raged from the 160s A.D. through 180.

    A people on the move

    A more significant migration toward Rome occurred when the Huns pushed “barbarian” tribes, including the Vandals, south and west into the Roman Empire beginning in the 370s A.D. During this time, the Vandals adopted Christianity, espousing Arianism. This belief that Christ was not equal to God put them in conflict with the Church.

    As they traveled, the Vandals duked it out with the locals, capturing territory as they went. In 406 A.D., they crossed the Rhine River, pouring into first Gaul, then what is now Spain, then northern Africa. They captured Carthage (in what is now Tunisia) in 439 A.D.

    Gaiseric (also known as Genseric), the Vandals’ king, made Carthage the Vandals’ capital, and conquered more and more Roman territory as the years went on. Carthage’s strategic location on the Mediterranean gave the Vandals an advantage, and they became a formidable naval power. “If the Romans ever attempted a naval assault on [Gaiseric’s] realm in North Africa,” writes historian Thomas J. Craughwell, “the Vandal fleet in the Mediterranean could intercept the Roman ships before they came anywhere near Carthage.”

    Desperate, the Roman Empire recognized the Vandals and made a treaty that ensured they would leave Rome itself alone. The Vandals adopted many facets of Roman culture, including its dress and arts.

    Double cross

    But the Vandal king was a shrewd observer of Rome’s disintegrating empire. In 455 he saw his opening when Petronius Maximus murdered the current Roman Emperor, Valentinian III. Gaiseric declared the Vandals’ treaty with Rome invalid and marched on Rome.

    The sack of the Roman capital made history books, but was not the violent event many assume. Though the Vandals were considered heretics by the early Church, they negotiated with Pope Leo I, who convinced them not to destroy Rome. They raided the city’s wealth, but left the buildings intact and went home.

    Years of clashes followed. Between 460 and 475 A.D., the Vandals successfully repelled a Rome now intent on taking back what it had lost. But Gaiseric’s death sounded the death knell for the Vandals. In 533, the Romans took back North Africa, expelling the Vandals for good.

    Their kingdom had ended, but their legacy never did. To this day, “vandal” is associated—perhaps unfairly—with the group’s successful sack of Rome.
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/c...ve-reputation/

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