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    No, because no matter how religious you are there should always be a separation of church and state

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    All too many US churches seem to have zero problem with fleecing their congregations for money and building multi-million dollar buildings, buying obscenely expensive sound systems, and so forth. Sounds like a profitable institution to me: why NOT tax them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleyer View Post
    I echo the question, what is wrong with supporting the religion you believe in?
    The thing is, the religion some people are baptized in as children isn't the same thing they believe in. Their parents made a choice for them, they weren't given a say. So why should they have to pay is the question.
    THINK! It's not illegal yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thusnelda View Post
    Well,
    One can leave the church to stop paying the church tax when reaching adulthood but this step has some associated disadvantages for most of the people, like no church wedding or no automatic right for a place in a cementary.
    Ok Question here?
    If you are NOT a Christian, then why would you want to be married, or in fact buried into what amounts to the holy site of a religion that you do not agree with?

    Something here does not add up?

    Quote Originally Posted by LadyFirehawk View Post
    All too many US churches seem to have zero problem with fleecing their congregations for money and building multi-million dollar buildings, buying obscenely expensive sound systems, and so forth. Sounds like a profitable institution to me: why NOT tax them?
    Because It is a constitutional violation of law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EQ Fighter View Post
    Because It is a constitutional violation of law.
    Bah! Silly me for missing that rather important detail. Darn laws getting in the way of logical solutions! (Only half-joking on that one!)

    Note to Self: Learn more Constitutional law. I'd have one up on most American citizens in that case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyFirehawk View Post
    Bah! Silly me for missing that rather important detail. Darn laws getting in the way of logical solutions! (Only half-joking on that one!)

    Note to Self: Learn more Constitutional law. I'd have one up on most American citizens in that case.
    It is not really the Constitution that is getting in the way it is the Lawyers and their, "Pull it out of their A$$" interpretation of it that is the problem.

    Also the fact that in about 1900 we had a bunch of grease balls that got off the boat, and set up a central banking system then proceeded to take over the country and rewrite the laws.

    In the 1960's they threw the whole dam thing out, and went hog wild with such things as the ACLU, NAACP, Anti-Defamation League.

    And as you can see they did a fine job, a fine job indeed.

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    A lot of US churches make a big deal about "tithes", that is paying 10% of your income to the church. There's apparently Biblical and historical precedent for this.

    I have a church I go to with my father and sister on holidays and they're always putting notes like "remember us in your will!" in the service booklets. It really rubs me the wrong way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EQ Fighter View Post
    If you are NOT a Christian, then why would you want to be married, or in fact buried into what amounts to the holy site of a religion that you do not agree with?
    Married is a different matter, I assume she doesn't refer to her own situation though, because she wrote elsewhere that she's left the church, so that becomes moot point, since you typically have to (re-)convert to the faith of the church you want to be married in anyhow, many priests will not wed a Heathen and a Christian, or even a Catholic and a Protestant.

    I'm shocked however that you can't understand the buried part. I don't know how far away from your family you want to be buried, as far as I'm aware, my place is going to be the family plot. For that I'd gladly accept being buried in a public cemetery.

    Burial in the family plot is possible actually, even in Bavaria and Austria with leaving the church, though. The only difference there is, is that you don't get a priest set aside but need to arrange your own --- like I cared, I don't want a Catholic priest hold my funeral anyway.

    However, the issue with still being able to be buried in the family plot is something I have not been aware until about three months ago, and it was that reason alone that I continued to stay inside the church even though I had long not just disassociated from the institution of the church, but from Christendom altogether.
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