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    "Yes, There Is Racism Against Indians in This Country"

    A column by Raina Kelley, a black lady, in Newsweek caught my eye this week. She wrote about the code words used to hide the unvarnished racism that seems to be permeating the American scene.

    Less known in most of America, but well known to American Indians, is the covert racism that afflicts those Americans with “red skin” as opposed to black.

    {snip}

    And in those regions of the United States we call “Indian country,” there are few Indians who have not experienced the covert, and oftentimes overt, symptoms of racism. To many easterners coming out west to experience a close encounter of the first kind with “Indians,” it is so easy for them to slip into using the captivating term, “our Indians.” It is almost as if Indians are property, albeit human property, to be possessed by those who would observe, pity, assist or praise them as figments of a vanishing race. Indians can then be safely relegated to the role of mascots for America’s fun and games. They can then be honored for what “they used to be” not for what they are today in modern America. They become warriors, chiefs, redskins and braves, everything but human beings.

    {snip}

    Like Raina Kelly, many American Indians are mad as hell and they aren’t going to take it anymore. Like the movie that coined this phrase, it is easily said, but hard to implement. Why? America does not want to hear about Indians. They should be left in the pages of history books or in old Western movies. America is not ready for the “tame” Indian because there are still many “shoot ‘em up” Western movies on the horizon and Americans do not want to destroy this false image with reality.

    But let a few Indians occupy a peaceful village like Wounded Knee and the press shows up in droves. Visions of “shoot ‘em up” scenes of the cavalry (FBI) and Indians flood the stories they send back to the home office. The renegades waving rifles in the air make the nightly news.

    Just what is racism? Some of it is indeed hateful and meant to hurt. Other aspects of it are strictly from ignorance. “You can’t change stupid,” was in the title of a column written for Native Sun News by Elizabeth Cook-Lynn, a member of the Crow Creek Sioux Tribe, a couple of weeks ago. Liz has seen the top and the bottom of racism, not only in South Dakota but in all of America. {snip}

    But how are we going to change stupid if we don’t keep trying? My weekly column on indianz.com, nativetimes.com, or on Pechanga.net, is read mostly by Indians who know Indian Country and respond accordingly. {snip}

    {snip}

    Let me conclude with, yes, there is racism against Indians in much of America and like the racism against blacks; it needs to be dragged out from under the rug and addressed.
    http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives...here_is_ra.php

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    Indians actually have a good reputation in most of the U.S. similar to Asians, unlike say blacks and mexicans who have a bad rep. A lot of white people sometimes even blacks with 1% Indian blood dress up like old time natives and think they are an Indian.

    I find them facinating myself. Just that they are different but not in an annoying way like some other groups. Though I know in heavily native areas most of the natives are alcoholics and poor and they blame the white man and the government rather than taking responsibility themselves. A few natives support white nationalism and I read a great article somewhere written by one might have been skadi I forget. Indians get a lot of benefits just like other minorities though but without the bad rep. I don't know what they have to complain about other than their own failures.

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    An American Indian View of Immigration

    America today is making the same mistake we Indians made nearly four centuries ago. America is letting in too many foreigners. And we Indians could end up losing this country all over again. It may come as a surprise to many white people who have been brainwashed by the media to see Indians as the ultimate liberals, but there are few groups in America today who take a dimmer view of mass immigration than the American Indian.

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    Indians actually have a good reputation in most of the U.S.
    Not in communities adjacent to reservations. Their high rate of alcoholism, with the associated crime, gives them a bad reputation. Bad not as bad as Negroes. Anyway, all registered Indians have free healthcare (via the Bureau of Indian Affairs) & many have income from casinos. They have no reason to whine. If America had been colonized from the Far East by Asians they would have been exterminated.
    Last edited by Æmeric; Thursday, October 15th, 2009 at 08:35 PM. Reason: Missing word.

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    I grew up in Montana near the Flathead Indian reservation and all I can say is take one trip to Missoula on a Saturday night and it will totally destroy your vision of "Dances with Wolves" Dozens of drunken Indians laying in the streets waiting to go to the local drunk tank.On the rez people living in dumps and kids starving but a brand new government paid for pickup in the yard (or more than likely at a local speakeasy) As teenagers the tribal leaders used to let us hunt on the rez as long as we gave the meat to the starving families as the buck of the house drank up the substancial gov't pay check every month while his wife and kids starved. The drunken redskins would come home and beat the hell out of the wife and kids.On the rez the clinics are busy 24/7/365 . Sorry ,no sympathy here for the laziest pack of trash on the planet

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    "Racism": the most over-used term in politics and journalism since the phrase "Finlandisation" fell out of fashion. Racism this, racism that - it doesn't bother me anymore. There's probably imminent alleged racism against matchboxes or beansprouts at debate in a few months time - just you wait and see...
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    Well much talk of drunken Indians as expected but it is the same with most people who have first their land and then their culture taken away from them. The Australian indigenous people suffered a similar fate and also turned to the bottle . Makes ya wonder whether the urge to self destruct in such circumstances isn't just a common human reaction.
    In the earlier days mass suicide was the prefered option many chose....... either way it's very sad imho.................. I have a great respect for American Indian culture/art/wisdom etc and it's sad to witness its decline and the self destruction of many of its people
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyhawk View Post
    I have a great respect for American Indian culture/art/wisdom etc and it's sad to witness its decline and the self destruction of many of its people
    What do you know first hand of American Indian culture/art/wisdom? Just what you've seen in the movies & leftist magazines? The real life societies of American Indians was pretty brutal to most of its members. I think a big reason what is now the US was so sparcely populated in 1492 is because the natives had been busy killing one another off for eons.

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    I find it interesting to consider how successfully the Plains Indians adopted horse culture and used it to kill off the competition. It also allows conclusions about the possible impact when the horse was domesticated for the first time, within Europid territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    What do you know first hand of American Indian culture/art/wisdom? Just what you've seen in the movies & leftist magazines? The real life societies of American Indians was pretty brutal to most of its members. I think a big reason what is now the US was so sparcely populated in 1492 is because the natives had been busy killing one another off for eons.
    There is some truth in both sides to it. Let's see.

    From an ethnological perspective, there is sure much to find interesting about their cultural and spiritual heritage, and there is certainly a special kind of wisdom which can be objectively admired, though of course absolutely un-fit for our own folk, even when still at a more primitive stage: Different peoples, different rationalities - obvious. Though potentially much of the admiresome qualities admittedly lie in their refination of a primitive lifestyle (at that less successful than in Asia, yet more successful than in Africa), which is mainly of interest in a socio-historical sense rather than in terms of actual cultural achievements, which we find to be largely non-existent.

    From a sociological perspective, there is also something to find particularly interesting - and it somehow correlates with what you have said. It is interesting that when compared to other nomad societies, the tendency to become stratified in terms of group organisation occurs at much smaller numbers: a so-called head man appears much earlier, and even the shift to more stratified organisation otherwise atypical for a pre-agricultural society, and even the more hierarchical appearance of an actual chieftain at a much smaller group number is representative of a potentially more warlike, more quarrelsome temparament.

    What we observe amongst the more peaceful nomad populations is that they tend to be egalitarian in their average groups of 10-15 and only install a head man at the point where issues and troubles ensue, usually around 60-70 people. Amongst pre-reservation American Indians we observe such a tendency already at 20-30, at best 40-50 people, which further stressed that much feuding went on.

    So, on one hand, there is something hauntingly curious about their way of life, but on the other hand socio-anthropological tendencies allow us to conclude a short temper and much feuding, which yes, quite correctly establishes that the scarce population of pre-colonial North America was perhaps in large parts due to rampant warring, feuding and bloodshed.

    But then again, that's nothing new. Even the more liberal-left novels about random American-Indian protagonists have the habit of mentioning scalping at least three times a chapter.
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