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    Grin AK-47 Vs. AR-15 Vs. Mosin-Nagant... Which is Best?

    AK-47: It works though you have never cleaned it. Ever.
    AR-15: You have $9 per ounce special non-detergent synthetic Teflon
    infused oil for cleaning.
    Mosin-Nagant: It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945.

    AK-47: You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside.
    AR-15: You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600 meters.
    Mosin-Nagant: You can hit the barn from two miles away.

    AK-47: Cheap mags are fun to buy.
    AR-15: Cheap mags melt.
    Mosin-Nagant: What's a mag?

    AK-47: Your safety can be heard from 300 meters away.
    AR-15 You can silently flip off the safety with your finger on the
    trigger.
    Mosin-Nagant: What's a safety?

    AK-47: Your rifle comes with a cheap nylon sling.
    AR-15: Your rifle has a 9-point stealth tactical suspension system.
    Mosin-Nagant: Your rifle has a dog collar.

    AK: Your bayonet makes a good wire cutter.
    AR-15: Your bayonet is actually a pretty good steak knife.
    Mosin-Nagant: Your bayonet is longer than your leg.

    AK-47: You can put a .30" hole through 12" of oak.
    AR-15: You can put one hole in a paper target at 100 meters with 10
    rounds.
    Mosin-Nagant: You knock down everyone else's target with the shock
    wave of your bullet going downrange.

    AK-47: When out of ammo, your rifle will nominally pass as a club.
    AR-15: When out of ammo, your rifle makes a great wiffle bat.
    Mosin-Nagant: When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club,
    pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.

    AK-47: Recoil is manageable, even fun.
    AR-15: What's a recoil?
    Mosin-Nagant: Recoil is often used to fix shoulders dislocated by the
    previous shot.

    AK-47: Your sight adjustment goes to 10, and you've never bothered
    moving it.
    AR-15: Your sight adjustment is incremented in fractions of minute of
    angle.
    Mosin-Nagant: Your sight adjustment goes to 2000 meters, and you've
    actually tried it.

    AK-47: Your rifle can be used by any two-bit nation's most illiterate
    conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.
    AR-15: Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two-bit
    nations' most illiterate conscripts.
    Mosin-Nagant: Your rifle has fought against itself - and won every
    time.

    AK-47: Your rifle won some revolutions.
    AR-15: Your rifle drove Saddam out of Kuwait.
    Mosin-Nagant: Your rifle won a pole vault event.

    AK-47: You paid $330.
    AR-15: You paid $900.
    Mosin-Nagant: You paid $59.95.

    AK-47: You buy cheap ammo by the case.
    AR-15: You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one.
    Mosin-Nagant: You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and
    it works just fine.

    AK-47: You can intimidate your foe with the bayonet mounted.
    AR-15: Your foes laugh when you mount your bayonet.
    Mosin-Nagant: You can bayonet your foe on the other side of the stream
    without leaving the comfort of your hole.

    AK-47: Any fool can be taught to field strip it.
    AR-15: Anyone with an IQ over 160 can be taught to field strip it.
    Mosin-Nagant: What's field stripping?

    AK-47: Service life, 50 years.
    AR-15: Service life, 40 years.
    Mosin-Nagant: Service life, 101 years, and counting.

    AK-47: It's easier to buy a new rifle when you want to change
    cartridge
    sizes.
    AR-15: You can change cartridge sizes with the push of a couple of
    pins
    and a new upper.
    Mosin-Nagant: You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of
    his friends by suggesting there is anything but 7.62x54 R.

    AK-47: You can repair your rifle with a big hammer and a swift kick.
    AR-15: You can repair your rifle by taking it to a certified gunsmith,
    if it's under warranty!
    Mosin-Nagant: If your rifle breaks, you pick up another one.

    AK-47: You consider it a badge of honor when you get your handguards
    to
    burst into flames.
    AR-15: You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5
    shot
    group.
    Mosin-Nagant: You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds
    without the aid of a 2x4.

    AK-47: You can accessorize you rifle with a new muzzle brake or a nice
    stock set.
    AR-15: Your rifle's accessories are eight times more valuable than
    your
    rifle.
    Mosin-Nagant: Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny
    lid, but it's buried under an apartment building somewhere in
    Budapest.

    AK-47: Your rifle's finish is varnish and paint.
    AR-15: Your rifle's finish is Teflon and high-tech polymers.
    Mosin-Nagant: Your rifle's finish is low-grade shellac, cosmoline, and
    Olga's toe nails.

    AK-47: After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for a stiff
    shot of vodka.
    AR-15: After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for hot dogs
    and apple pie.
    Mosin-Nagant: After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for
    shishkabob.

    AK-47: After a long day the range, you relax by watching Red Dawn.
    AR-15: After a long day at the range, you relax by watching Black Hawk
    Down.
    Mosin-Nagant: After a long day at the range, you relax by visiting the
    chiropractor.

    AK-47: Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to hold your
    rifle over your head and shout "Wolverines!
    "
    AR-15: Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear
    your
    house, slicing the pie from room to room.
    Mosin-Nagant: Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to
    dig a fighting trench in the yard to sleep in.

    AK-47: Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Mikhail
    Kalashnikov.
    AR-15: Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Eugene
    Stoner.
    Mosin-Nagant: Are there even photographs of Sergi Ivanovich Mosin and Leon Nagant?

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    the ak47 is more acurate than you think. they will shoot about 3 to 4 minutes of angle.

    --ak47 effective range---
    200yards point target.
    400yards aria target.
    800yards mass supression.

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    Ak-47,56,74

    In all fairness one ought to do a comparison between the Mosin-Nagant, AK- 47/56 (either Soviet or Chinese/liscense producers) and the M-16 A3-4 (with heavy barrel). Not the worthless, cheap civilianised AR version.

    Production numbers, AK: approx. 100,000,000 at last count. M-16: approx. 10,000,000.


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    there's nothing wrong with civilian ar 15 rifles.
    they have been proven well by law inforcement and cavilian shooters.

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    Personally I prefer the AR15/m16. Yeah you have to clean it, but its accurate and i can carry twice as much ammo for the same weight. Oh and as for the mosin, who needs a mosin when you can have a k98. I have not seen a bolt action made to better quality than the Mausers.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zimobog View Post
    Mosin-Nagant: What's a safety?
    Someone hasn't spend much time looking over their mosin. It does have a safety.

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    The safety on a moisin nagant is on the back of the bolt.

    My ar-15 was probably the most acurate of any asault style weapon I have ever owned. when it wasn't jamming[And yes I keep it clean] I have used every type of ammo known to man, and very acurate, but not reliable enough for me.

    My AK-47 on the other hand, I have had a six inch mud plug in it, and it still funtioned flawlessly. I have fired more than 20,000 rds with no jams.And it is alot more acurate than you think! I have plugged 3'' targets at 250 meters.

    for my money, I'll take the ak!
    Michael Lingo

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    Guys, first of all, the OP is a joke.

    It's been circulating on the web for at least 4 years.
    It's making fun of 3 rifles, and their idiosyncrasies, not a serious tactical dissertation.

    In me experience, ARs (a quality build) are not as unreliable as the 'net would have you believe, and AKs are not as inaccurate as the 'net would have you believe.

    Also, I've found Mosins in good shape will shoot as well as a Mauser in equal shape.

    A lot of it comes down to preference.

    I'll take a FAL or G3 over any of them.

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    Could it be the brand of AR-15? I have heard from some people that some brands are more reliable and don't jam much. Also HK made a version of the m16 that i think is as reliable or more so than the AK. So if i had to pick from the AK family or M16 family, my preferred choice would be that HK. Though as a civilian and for cost effectiveness I have to say you cant beat the AK. I could buy about 3-4 Romanian AK's for about the same cost as one AR-15.

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    I did National Service with a FAL. Accurate but too big, heavy, too much recoil for my taste. Not as rugged as an AK.

    For my money it has to be an AK-47. Ultra reliable, accurate enough for its intended purpose, packs enough of a punch, manageable recoil, ubiquitous, cheap, simple to operate and maintain etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wittwer View Post
    In all fairness one ought to do a comparison between the Mosin-Nagant, AK- 47/56 (either Soviet or Chinese/liscense producers) and the M-16 A3-4 (with heavy barrel). Not the worthless, cheap civilianised AR version.

    Production numbers, AK: approx. 100,000,000 at last count. M-16: approx. 10,000,000.

    I would agree that many of the AK knock-offs are inferrior. Not all of them though. I would bet Jim Fuller at Rifle Dynamics in Las Vegas would disagree with you.

    With that said, I very much disagree with that statement about AR's. The main difference between an AR15 and an M16 is the fire-control-group; with M4 and M4 knockoffs, the difference would be the fire-control-group and the the difference in 1.5 inches in barrel length.

    Technically speaking, having a 14.5-inch barrel on an M4 may allow a bit more maneuverability, but it also loses bullet velocity.

    Personally, I think the M4A1 full-auto capabilty along with a civilian 16-inch barrel would be optimum; even a regular M16A3 is super in my book (A flat-top AR15A2 with a conversion would be the same darn thing). But, that like so many other AK vs. AR type debates, is my personal opinion. Many guys like SBR's just because they are restricted....I am not one of them.

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