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    British World War II Bombers Deliberately Targeted Civilians

    .... Unpublished papers I have unearthed for my new book on the Lancaster bomber reveal that the mass, indiscriminate killing of Germany's urban population was indeed the key goal of the RAF's campaign. During my research on the Lancaster -- the heavyweight plane that enabled the RAF to mount the bomber offensive -- I uncovered a wealth of archival material which exposes the truth about the Government's policy. Typical was one paper from the Air Ministry, written in August 1941, which urged that the focus of attacks must be 'the people in their homes and factories'. ... Indeed, senior RAF planners did not hesitate to use the term 'terror-bombing' to describe some of their raids.
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    Well, I guess that´s no new information for all people with an objective mind. The bombings of Dresden, Hamburg and many other cities were nothing else than planned mass murder on civilists.

    "Judge of your natural character by what you do in your dreams" - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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    Wether or not the bombing of Dresden was a war crime has been debated and contested by the British Establishment for a long time. For the most part it is not accepted to be a war crime. Bombenholocaust is one term that I have seen used by Germans to describe the terrible events.

    This is of course not new information as Valkyrie says, Especialy toward the end of WW2 it was Allied Docterine to bomb it's enemies into submission, and Dresden, Hamburg, Nagasaki & Hiroshima are proof of this.

    War crimes were commited by all of the major belligerents of WW2, in some way or another.. The notion of the victors writing history of course applies very well here.

    In the case of the War in europe I have no doubt that the Terror Bombings inflicted on Germany were war crimes, a shameful murder of civilians. For the most part people not educated in WW2 history see a one dimensional view of Nazi murderers and KZ. Not the fact that the Soviets & other allies were deeply entrenched in their own Massacres.

    “ It is not possible to describe! Explosion after explosion. It was beyond belief, worse than the blackest nightmare. So many people were horribly burnt and injured. It became more and more difficult to breathe. It was dark and all of us tried to leave this cellar with inconceivable panic. Dead and dying people were trampled upon, luggage was left or snatched up out of our hands by rescuers. The basket with our twins covered with wet cloths was snatched up out of my mother's hands and we were pushed upstairs by the people behind us. We saw the burning street, the falling ruins and the terrible firestorm. My mother covered us with wet blankets and coats she found in a water tub.

    We saw terrible things: cremated adults shrunk to the size of small children, pieces of arms and legs, dead people, whole families burnt to death, burning people ran to and fro, burnt coaches filled with civilian refugees, dead rescuers and soldiers, many were calling and looking for their children and families, and fire everywhere, everywhere fire, and all the time the hot wind of the firestorm threw people back into the burning houses they were trying to escape from.

    I cannot forget these terrible details. I can never forget them. —Lothar Metzger, survivor.

    Dresden FEB-45 A pile of bodies awaiting cremation. Bundesarchiv: Bild 183-08778-001
    Last edited by Rightpath; Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 at 10:53 PM. Reason: Adding information.

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    bomber Harris was made a noble men of Britain. fine nobles you have.

    As far as I know there were a whole lot of british officers who didn't want to shake hands with that butcher.

    But Harris couldn't do it just by himself but he had an army of helpers in that war crime. And, that war crime was official doctrine of England. that makes the whole England war criminals. And I mean CRIMINALS.

    And then to make that man a noble men is beyond me.

    Germany as a whole didn't commit war crimes, they followed the law by the book. (Hitler even forbade to develope nuclear weapons. the Jew Oppenheimer developed them and they were intended for Germany but because of the end of war in europe were only applied in Japan)

    I for my part don't see any honor in the warfare of England/France/USA. Even the new wars of the USA Vietnam/Iraq and were else don't seem to be honorable wars. Its butchering of a people who are not as strong as the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    bomber Harris was made a noble men of Britain. fine nobles you have.
    The man never deserved the honour.

    Germany as a whole didn't commit war crimes, they followed the law by the book.
    Although the terror bombing did not compare to what the RAF inflicted on the Germany there are some undeniable war crimes, For example Lidice after the assisination of Rheinhard Heidrich. I have respect for the fighting forces of Germany during WW2 please don't get me wrong but nobodys hands were clean. This coming from a NS supporter.

    The Russians of course carried out some truely horrific crimes.

    Mass rape and other war crimes by Soviet troops during the occupation of East Prussia (Danzig) parts of Pomerania and Silesia; during the Battle of Berlin, and the Battle of Budapest.... I have studied that and it troubled me gravely.

    It took them a long while to admit to Katyn as well.

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    But Harris couldn't do it just by himself but he had an army of helpers in that war crime. And, that war crime was official doctrine of England. that makes the whole England war criminals. And I mean CRIMINALS.
    Just England, Just English people? The RAF is the United Kingdom's Air force. To Blame the whole English people for these acts would be naive at best. So my Grandfather is a war CRIMINAL? At 16 that was some achivement.

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    War crimes done by lunatic soldiers are something and crimes done planned by remf's is another. As the RAF planned those warcrimes it is clear that the command is responsible for that.

    I don't accuse your father/grandfather of warcrimes as he most likely didn't commit any and his power to act against it was so limited that it didn't mean anything.

    The responsibility lies with the powerful of your country as well with the US. They decided and performed those deeds.

    England and US are Rothschild assets and thus just pawns in the game of world control. The blame has to be put on them, that's what I mean by 'England'.


    In the wars nowadays soldiers have a choice, they don't have to join an army. They also have the opportunity to inform themselves about what is going on with this wars. They even have the choice to object and not go there. As they mostly don't do that (many of them do after the fact of having 'served' in war) you can put the blame on them too.

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    I think I mistook what you were trying to say. I appologise.

    It is interesting that the British officers would not shake hands with Harris, his hands were probably too covered in blood.

    At the moment we fight a Jihad against the muslims, the biggest enemy of the Jews. WW2 was fought against National Socialist Germany, suprise suprise the biggest enemy of the Jews.

    Funny how things never seem to change.
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    I've just been watching a documentary "Air war over Germany", it's a very good in depth documentary.

    Air war over Germany 1/10


    The RAF conducted themselves disgracefully during WWII. The "Area Bombing" campaign of carpet bombing civilians was Twisted, there is no other word for it, and a victory gained in such a way is something to be ashamed of not proud of. It was bombing of civilians that finally provoked Nazi Germany to retaliate against Britain months after Britain had declared war on Germany.

    'Bomber Harris' was responsible for the Area Bombing campaign. It might mean something or it might not but it happens to be true, Harris is a Welsh name not an English name and it is also a name used by Jews. It's just a theory but his lack of empathy for Saxons may have been amplified by Jewish namesakes who inspired him to destruction.

    Within the post war British government, there was some disquiet about the level of destruction created by the area bombing of German cities towards the end of the war. Harris was the sole commander-in-chief not made a peer in 1946. Bomber Command's crews were denied a separate campaign medal. Disappointed by the criticisms of his methods, Harris moved to South Africa in 1948. Arthur 'Bomber' Harris died on 5 April 1984. His only son died without an heir in 1996.

    In 1992, a statue of Harris was unveiled near Trafalgar Square in London. The queen Mother was jeered by protesters as it was unveiled, within 24 hours red paint was poured over it and it had to be under 24hr guard for months as it was often vandalised by protesters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightpath View Post
    At the moment we fight a Jihad against the muslims, the biggest enemy of the Jews. WW2 was fought against National Socialist Germany, suprise suprise the biggest enemy of the Jews.

    Funny how things never seem to change.
    If there is a WW3 all teh countries should do what Saddam did at the outbreak of the first Iraq war: turn around and attack Israel. Saddam was anther "Dictator" the West removed for it's Israeli parasite.

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    Strategic bombing was the safest way for the Western powers to harass Germany, even more so because Germany had no immediate interest in the West and was therefore not prepared to wage a proper campaign of conquest, not against Britain and certainly not against the US.

    So while the fact that we could not strike back effectively may be emotionally taxing, it is important to stay focused on what mattered most: to secure victory against the Soviet Union as part of a plan to solidify the power of the Reich and of the people carrying it.

    It has been popular in the West to pretend that their sad little terror campaign broke us in body and spirit, but it is also an accepted historical truth that we persevered through it and that morale remained high until the very end. Only then followed much more effective attempts to break, control and dominate us, a process that continues autonomously until this day.

    What is important now is to remain confident in our ability to create and exploit new opportunities for victory, and not to get carried away by foreign and irrelevant causes. Everything we do must be justified as an affirmation of the German people, no one else can have any independent value.

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    Bomber Harris actually had the choice of bombing Dresden a few months before the actual raid, he didn't because he didn't feel it was an important military target but he had to bomb it as he was under orders to bomb.

    And yes, he did not like it and left the RAF at the end of the war for South Africa.

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