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    Post Muslims or Non-Ethnic European Immigrants ?

    should we drop talking about islam and muslims and just focus on the whole group of none-ethnic European immigrants ?

    What is your opinion about this.

    To me, islam is just a religion, or a cult practiced by a big part of the immigrants we have in Europe, if we destroy the islamic cult will the immigrant turn into smoke ? they will still be here, so my opinion is that we give the muslims to much power by mostly focusing on islam and not on the fact that they are immigrants who do not belong here.

    If i see a Moroccan woman walking with a headscarf i see a Moroccan woman walking with a headscarf.

    Do you understand what i mean ?

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    Most of the immigrants in these nations,
    and Muslims.
    That's why the concern is about Muslims.
    But of course a Christian convert from Turkey or a secular Arab or Somalian,
    is not preferable.

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    I understand what you mean and I agree but the whole thing about 'islamic threat' stressed by nationalists/nationalist parties is a kind of displacement activity - many people feel threatened by islam/muslims (becuase they are a large immigrant group and have retained their own culture/distinctiveness more) and are very amenable to 'anti muslim' propaganda, but might not go so easily with 'anti-black' propaganda (for example) or explicitly nationalist, folkish, 'this is our land' kind of messages (but I agree there should be much more of that, not just 'bash the muslims', in fact it should be what we're all about, the point is it's more difficult to get people into that).
    Plus actual ethnic criticisms are basically illegal.

    This could be because (as said) muslims are here in large numbers and so have their own identity which is stong (and build mosques etc), making people feel uncomfortable at their own 'displacement'. On the other hand, people are brought up, educated and even coerced into being 'anti-racist', so it's not natural for them to criticise immigrants from an 'ethnic' perspective, for eg. blacks since urban culture is heavily 'afro-american' in style in all european cities already and forms an 'integrated' part of modern urban culture, which is deeply entangled and can't be disassociated without pulling at the 'ethnicity' threads.

    For the record, I don't think people on this forum (since you said 'we' , although I guess you ment the media) have a problem with islam but not 'the whole group of immigrants' in general and only talk about 'islam', because generally we don't have the same problem the general public does (ie. the self conflict about not liking the visable change brought by 'islam' and loss of own culture, but also being strongly 'anti racist').

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    There are rare cases of ethnic European Muslims, and those that are, are not Germanic anyway. So you can safely assume that if someone opposes the presence of Muslims in his land, he means non-ethnic European immigrants.

    There are some neocons though, who believe moderate Muslims and Muslim coverts to other religions are acceptable. But most of these don't roam forums like these.

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    Would you like it if Germanics converted to Islam and lived by this alien ideology?
    Islam is a threat, even if you remove the nowhites.
    Both Islam and the nonwhite immigrants are foreign here.
    Islamophilia is xenophilia.

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    Any world view that leads to sub-replacement fertility is not self-perpetuating and properly described as a parasitic disease. Unfortunately, the ever popular freetardism does not kill its host fast enough to prevent itself from spreading and persisting in the meantime.

    Islam is considered a rival because it is viable and because it inconveniently exploits a number of design flaws in the West.

    Still, its conversion numbers among us are extremely low. We are not getting "Islamised", we are simply dropping dead. I find it quite pointless to worry about who replaces us and what stupid ideas they might have. I also do not care about them picking up "the light of civilisation" or any other Western nonsense.

    A competitive world view and way of life from our side would have to focus on expanding our biological presence as a fundamental necessity in accumulating power. Convincing outsiders of our truth cannot help us. Convincing them of crippling lies, well that is another story...

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    There is no need for further debate.

    Non-Whites of any religion don't belong in White countries.

    PERIOD !

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    Actually Europeans are being converted to Islam in the tens of thousands each year. It is a threat.

    Personally I have nothing against Christians - regardless of race - trying to get rid of Muslims. Yes, we need to get rid of all the other races from our homelands, but that does not mean we cannot let them fight eachother or whatever they want to do.

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    The figures are rising - more than 1000 Germans in 2004, more than 4000 in 2006 - but the gains are dwarfed by Muslim births, and losses are likewise dwarfed by the native birth deficit.

    From my perspective, the problem of Islam is split between the general treatment of outsiders and the graver problem of spiritually defective Germans that might still be assimilated into a proper order, if only in the form of thralldom.

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    In my opinion there is little difference between the 'invaders' in the mass immigration most of our nations suffer with. I see it happen time and time again in England where we make it oh so easy for the immigrants to remain alien to our culture and indeed contort out culture into one more befitting them.

    Muslims seem to have risen to the top of this, they come here to Britain and other Germanic countries and actively seek to force us to accomodate them. This is not purely a muslim problem it happens with many other Races & Religions, therefore we must see the bigger picture and not get too fixated on Islam being the overiding problem facing us as Immigration and Multiculturalism goes wild.

    To my mind the Muslims found themselves a major target by Nationalists in Britain because of the events of 9/11 and 7/7, that and they so actively seek to tailor Britain to meet their cultural needs... why should any of our nations make any provisions for their ALIEN culture. Indeed in my opinion any Alien culture should only be welcomed and promoted where it belongs. And yes I would agree our culture has little place over there, we cannot say we will not accept infiltration in our house while we seek to do it in theirs, no matter how much we think it would benefit them.

    Mohammed is most popular name for baby boys in London
    The Islamic name overtook traditional choices like Jack, Thomas and Daniel to become the number one name in the West Midlands, Yorkshire and the Humber, and the North West, as well as in the capital, in 2008.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...in-London.html

    Above is just one of the reasons why I feel we must never stop seeing Islam as a major threat.... of course I am not so naive to see it as the only threat and we must embrace the problem of non-ethnic immigration as a whole.

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