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    How Germanic Are the Spanish?

    I mean, you had the Visigothic Kingdom and Swevian Kingdom, both Germanic... While I'm sure the ACTUAL Germanics didn't go very far south into hispania and weren't as common as the native Celtiberian and Tartess people, they still had a profound effect on the history of the region.

    Then, not long after the founding of those kingdoms, the moors of course take over basically the entire peninsula.

    So how much of a genetic effect do you think Germanic peoples left in Spain?

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    Very little. Spaniards cluster with other Mediterranean people on genetic tests as far as I know, not with Northern Europeans. Besides, racial segregation existed in Visigothic Spain:

    The first part of the Visigothic period was characterised by a system of segregation. Intermarriage between Visigoth migrants and Roman natives was forbidden in Visigothic France and Spain in the late 5th and early 6th century. The Germanic Visigoths and Hispano-Romans were separate; each nationality had its own priests and churches, its own courts, judges, and civil services.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_...sigothic_Spain

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    Hmm, Germanic is an ethnic word and a cultural one. So the Spanish couldn't be called Germanics. But there are some cultural influences left in Spain from the Germanic past times. Here some themes where you could learn more about that:

    Spanish Surnames with Germanic Origins
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=41310

    Map of Germanic Place Names in Iberian Peninsula
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=8632

    Paganism and Pagan Survivals in Spain Up to the Fall of the Visigothic Kingdom
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=99204

    I found some postings about the genetics question which interests you:

    One genetic marker of visigothic/germanic/scandinavian invasion in Spain is the haplogroup I. Remember that also the Suebi established Spain and Portugal carring the I haplogroup.This germanic migrations would also include Germanic forms of R1b.Haplogroup I originated in Gravettians, there were later mutations of I resulting in subhaplogroups...one variation exists among the basques since glacial times ( much time before visigothic invasions ).
    According to Semino et al. 2004, I1a, the subclade which accounts for nearly 100% of hg I in Scandinavia, is present in Catalans at 3.1% and in Portuguese at 1.3%. It was, however, not found among Andalusians, which is interesting in light of what we know about Visigothic influence in the region. Present-day Southern Sweden is ~40% hg I, btw.
    From this theme:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=62595

    If you read the themes from the Extinct Germanic Groups forum, you'll find more informations about the legacy of the Goths.

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    I wouldn't consider it so. Modern Spain is much more Romance/Celtic than Germanic.

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    So sure Rodriguez is a common surname which means "son of Roderick" - but I'd be careful with linking that to recent Germanic ancestry. If I consider the fact that one of my exes was 15/16 German and only 1/16 Polish yet retained a Polish surname because it was of course patrilineally passed on, such things can be a bad marker, because they're obviously inherited rather unregularly and disproportionately.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Very little. Spaniards cluster with other Mediterranean people on genetic tests as far as I know, not with Northern Europeans. Besides, racial segregation existed in Visigothic Spain:

    The first part of the Visigothic period was characterised by a system of segregation. Intermarriage between Visigoth migrants and Roman natives was forbidden in Visigothic France and Spain in the late 5th and early 6th century. The Germanic Visigoths and Hispano-Romans were separate; each nationality had its own priests and churches, its own courts, judges, and civil services.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_...sigothic_Spain
    This should be a red flag to those of us today who think segregation within a society will prevent the destruction of our people. It never works. India is another example of Whites being submerged in a sea of mud. There is no other solution than the expulsion of non-Germanics, especially non-Europids, from our native lands. If we do not do this, we will essentially die out.

    There might be a few Germanic looking people left in Spain, but not many, and the culture is pretty much gone. I actually remember seeing a Spanish member here who styled himself as Germanic, though. His avatar is a somewhat Germanic-looking Spaniard, apparently from the early 1900s, and his picture is there also. He has red hair, but isn't particularly Germanic-looking.

    http://forums.skadi.net/member.php?u=3915

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    What will it be next? How Germanic are the Portuguese? Italians? Greeks?

    The answer is, not at all. The Spanish are Mediterranean/Romance/Latin/Hispanic, not Germanic by any stretch of imagination. Why doesn't anyone make a thread about how Germanic is North Africa? The Vandals were there, you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    Why doesn't anyone make a thread about how Germanic is North Africa? The Vandals were there, you know.
    Well, at least it would mean that all those German women who go for some swarthy Tunisian lover or something aren't actually participating in miscegenation - LOL!
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    Well, at least it would mean that all those German women who go for some swarthy Tunisian lover or something aren't actually participating in miscegenation - LOL!
    I have been to Spain and they sure do not look like Germans to me .I dont think I ever saw a person taller than myself and no Blonds .The size, structure and facial aspects of a Spainiard are definately NOT Germanic

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