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    'We Are All Immigrants': Swedish Researchers

    Swedish researchers have concluded from DNA samples that Scandinavians are descended from immigrants that landed in the region 4,000 to 6,000 years ago.

    The researchers have studied DNA samples from stone age graves. The samples come from 19 people who were hunters and gatherers and lived in Scandinavia until about 4,000 years ago.

    The DNA has then been compared with common DNA sets collected from contemporary residents of the region.

    "They differ very substantially. The gene pool that we have today could not have evolved by chance alone from that which existed then. Something else must have been added. Either a complete population replacement or gene flow," said Anders Götherström, who led the study at Uppsala University.

    Götherström explains that the gene pool must have been mixed.

    "We have not quantified the results so we do not know that much, but my initial conclusion is that it is a mix. But there has to have been an immigration. The gene pool among the hunters and gatherers is not sufficient," he said.

    Götherström led the study which has involved researchers from Denmark and the UK.

    According to the researchers the hunters and gatherers lived side by side with groups that began to till the soil. These farmers started to turn up in Scandinavia during the so-called new (Neolithic) stone age, from around 4,000-1,800 BC.

    The study, which has been presented in the scientific journal Current Biology, also included analysis of DNA samples taken from three farmers buried at around the same time.

    Among the hunters and gatherers there was no trace of the DNA sets common in the region today.

    "But we found them in the farmer group," Götherström revealed.

    Götherström said that the researchers have concluded that there is only one direction from where the presumed wave of immigrants could have come.

    "That is from the south. But from where and how far they have travelled, is difficult to say."

    The study will now continue and will include the collection and analysis of more samples collected from individuals belonging to the farmer group.

    The purpose is to discern from where the immigrants may have come, Götherström said.

    "Now want to know more exactly where they may have come from."
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    That is why I don't trust the government or this kind of researching. The politicians says that we are all immigrants and that's why we must have mass immigration. Does this means that I have no relatives from the Stone Age village not far from my home?

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    Something along that lines I thought too.
    While it is true that we all once immigrated to our respective areas, it seems, in the political correctness mania, not to matter anymore that we made the countries what they are now.
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    Another none-argument to wipe away Swedish identity, another one that goes in the same box as ''race does not exist'' or ''we are all the same'', more none-arguments usually spoken by people who do not practice what they preach in everyday life.

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    I always thought (and most people I know agreed) we just appeared in our countries with a 'pop' and started walking around, or maybe we grew out of the soil into Swedes or Danes or French or whatever. This happened a few thousand years ago, when the world had just been created (and looked exactly like it does now).

    but now they think we originally came from somewhere else ? So we are immigrants! We'd better accept all the other immigrants too, they're just the same as us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renwein View Post
    or maybe we grew out of the soil into Swedes or Danes
    Out of trees, actually. A rough sketch of the situation can be seen to the left.

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    Basically this paper is saying that a more evolved agrarian people replaced a stone age primitive people. So this somehow justifies bringing in more primitive immigrants? I don't feel immigration of civilized people is a big threat to civilized nations, its the third world immigration of people with radically incompatable genetics and world views that is the major threat.

    Secondly from what I know Germanic people evolved around modern Denmark/Southern Sweden. That is a non-Germanic people moved there and over generations changed into a new group of Germanics so yes they did spring from the soil there. Our ancestors may have come out of africa but we are no longer africans. We have radically changed into a new European race obviously.

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    These people do not understand the concept of evolution.

    Yes, we migrated to the ends of Europe, but no, we are not the same people who did the migration. Just like we are no longer the fish that crawled out of the water.

    Only a true idiot would use this as an excuse for immigration.

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