Have You Ever Been Ostracized by a Family Member for ‘Thought Crimes’?

[Bittereinder]

Have you ever attempted to discus your world view with your family or a family member and if you have what was the result?

The past weekend I attempted to discus my personal views with my father with quite frankly disastrous results. Even though I attempted this with an air that invited his opinions and open un confrontational debate it quickly boiled down to a confrontation because I asked what all the sacrifices made by himself and our forefathers in the wars fought by the Afrikaner for self-determination meant if we find our selfs where we are today. He was also insulted because I said that I don’t deem Islam to be the biggest threat facing the western world and that I deemed the jewish control of banking, media and government as a much more immediate danger and that without the constraints placed on us because of the so called atrocities in the past of Germanics such as slavery, the holocaust and apartheid that we would be able to handle the Islamic invasion of western culture with adequate efficiency so as to neutralize the threat posed by Islam. He was obviously speaking with Christianity as back drop though I did not mention my personal views surrounding Christianity he was offended when I said that jews was a real threat in my mind, he said that it doesn’t make sense because if that was the case why would Israel have aided South-Africa in the Border war in Namibië if the jews where plotting our demise to which I conceded that it is a question which I did not have answer to at this point. Perhaps it served the short term goals perhaps it would have not been beneficial to the international banking community if the millions of potential black banking clients with a huge potential for loan business where to come under communist control and thus be lost to the banking system behind the iron curtain (I don’t know perhaps someone on Skadi might shed some light on this). In the end it nearly became a physical confrontation from his side and at the end I was told not to come to his house ever again, not that it is a huge problem for me as I only see him twice a year at best. The question in my mind is if one is not able to discusses such matters with your parents in a decent intellectual fashion with whom can one discuses such matters? Perhaps it was foolish to think one could have a constructive discussion with someone so set in his ways, and perhaps the fact that I questioned his believe system was a too much for him to bear. I cannot help feeling though that he did not prove anything to me by becoming confrontational it merely reaffirmed what I believe about the comfortable nature of the lie people (my father included) is living though I respect him as my father I must say I hold his reaction to be rather juvenile to say the least.

It is a sad day when a Germanics own family cannot allow him to form his own opinions...

[RoyBatty]

Too bad things got out of hand but you know the old adage we have about "not discussing sex, religion or politics", LOL

Your dad's being childish by banning you from the house over a political disagreement. Getting angry is one thing but that's too much. Perhaps he's cooled down a bit by today. If not...errr.... don't really know what to suggest apart from not discussing politics with him.

Regarding SA, the border war and Israel the explanations are simple. During that era (meaning from the 1960's when African Liberation movements started becoming active untill the late 1980's) both South Africa and Israel found themselves to be on the UN's black sheep list and both countries had problems acquiring military hardware. I'm not saying it was impossible (it wasn't) but it could be tricky at times.

Therefore it made a lot of sense for the state of Israel and Apartheid Govt South Africa to cooperate on various levels and consequently they did. For example, our R4 / R5 assault rifles are basically copies of the Israeli Galil which again is a copy of the AK-47. Our nuclear weapons program no doubt received incalculable assistance from Israel. Some of our weapons systems such as the (near useless because the Atlantic is too rough for the design) Strke Craft used by the SA Navy were bought straight from Israel as were many other weapons systems.

However, none of this changes the fact that many SA Jews were prominent SACP / ANC supporters, that they played a major role in the British Empire's wars against us to grab our once free Republics (mine bosses agitated for war against the Republics), that they exercise an unhealthy level of control over the banking system in SA etc.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that these ANC loving Jewish liberals and the Israeli State (at that time) were conspiring with one another against us (the SA liberal Jews were certainly against us though) but ultimately blood will always be thicker than water and in the end they'll show more loyalty towards one another than they'll ever show to their us or their adopted country. We're goyim to them just like the ANC are goyim to them.

Imo it's not correct to suggest that all or even most Jews are "disloyal" or "actively working against us" but their priority is and will always be their own community. They don't assimilate into the mainstream of countries they move to and always maintain separate traditions and their own culture.

Therefore both yourself and your father had valid arguments but imo he's not seeing the bigger picture, ie, that there is a global NWO money mafia (which includes both Jews and non-Jews) who pull the strings.

Imo Islam cannot be a threat unless it is allowed to become one. If a country has active policies against Islamic immigration and conversion then the spread of Islam will be very much inhibited. The fact that the EU is actually deliberately assisting and financing this (with EU resources) is a clear indication that a 5th Column within the EU is at work to destroy the current EU Nation State demographics. This is much more dangerous than any outside threat.

An analogy would be that none-EU threats

- are like a vast amount of water pressing against a dam wall,
- the dam wall is the barrier and
- behind the barrier is the inhabited land (which would represent the EU):

If that dam wall developed a crack and water started streaming through that crack, would one go around blaming the "water" for coming in or would one identify the problem as being the crack and then set about repairing that crack as soon as possible?

"Water" ie non-Europeans, whether they be Africans, Mohammedans or whatever will always be present. The problem isn't them, the problem is in protecting one's civilisation from being overrun by them and if those protective measures are being deliberately undermined (such as what's happening in our societies today due to liberal sabotage) the only logical conclusion is that we will be over run.

I therefore agree with you that "Islam" isn't the biggest threat to us. It is the liberal disease which has been brought to our countries coupled with the loss of control over our most important institutions which has now led to us being overrun and being near powerless to do anything against it anymore.

[Sigurd]

I assume that I have been considerably lucky. My father (with whom I do not live, and have not lived for a while, since my parents divorced early) is very much opposed to my views in their entirety, he's a liberal leftie pretty much in line with the propaganda machine --- except that he arrived at these conclusions himself and irrespective of the propaganda machine, as he is still very critical of many developments.

I find it considerably easy to lead a topical discussion with him. Obviously there are some topics which would open a can of worms and I thus avoid, but there have been others from which either side could benefit. He has made it clear that if I offered views "too extreme", he would not be too chuffed, but that he would still rationally counter-argue my position.

He has stressed that he does not want to be linked with any of my activities, and that this is why I cannot have his other, currently disused, flat for residence as he wouldn't want to be linked to my political views --- but he does support my right to have my own opinion, as much as he is very displeased with the fact I did not tread down his political path but instead down one he very much despises. Nonetheless, he allows me to have and argue my own opinion, which I must say is probably rare luck, as many don't practice what they preach about freedom of speech.

Either way, I think your father acted fairly childish by basically making you no longer welcome in his house. I know that if I offered an argument which would leave my father pondering as to where he went wrong in bringing a boy like me into the world, he would probably scratch me off his will (not like there's currently much to inherit, I tend to joke about this whenever we get into an ideological squabble: "Well, you can still take me off your will." ) and never give me a single penny again, but that I would still be welcome in his house as long as I kept it down.

[Nachtengel]

My parents reject me due to my politics. They have a Hollywood vision of NS as an evil ideology and me a monster with a whole lot of evilness and hatred in me for holding the beliefs I do.
One thing I wasn't/am not willing to do is be quiet or dishonest when a sensitive topic comes up. I won't give up my views for anyone, and if my parents have a problem with it, so be it. I am not willing to make any compromise with them, such as not uttering names or things in their house.
I find it futile to attempt to discuss with them again, because after a certain age it's nearly impossible to change people's minds, especially if you are their offspring. Parents are too proud to admit that they are wrong and their child is right, even if the child is well grown up, in his 30s (like me).
I hope my son will turn out more sane.

[Sissi]

I have not told my parents about my political opinions although I could tell from their reactions that they aren't thrilled about Muslim immigration for example. But otherwise, they are politically mainstream.

My gut feeling is that they would consider me some sort of freak, or constantly worry that I'll get in trouble, or worst, confuse me with a nazi, which I am not. They are retired now, and I agree with Todesengel, at such ages, I have little hope that they would be willing to listen without judging me. So when I visit them, I keep any sensitive opinions in the closet, and intend for them to remain there.

[SpearBrave]

I too have had problems with my family. We have a family web site much like a forum and I do not post on anymore or go to family gatherings. My family is very large with 12 children most do not like or support obama, but a few do. When I posted a joke about obama they called me a racist and I said yes and proud of it. Then one of the mods banned all obama jokes and I posted the first amendment( free speech ).
Things went down from there I still speak to my Mother and two of my brothers, but have not heard from any of the others for quite some time now.
All of my brothers and sisters have known how I feel about race for very long time. I have always been proud of our heritage and race and thought my brothers and sisters were also. I think they are caught up with all propaganda the media spews out every day and I hope things will return to normal one day.

[Thusnelda]

I guess I can be lucky to say that my parents and large parts of my family share similar political views to mine. Our relationship is brilliant.
My family has a rural and conservative background and parts of my grandparents (maternal and parental side) were working and living on family-owned farms in their youth until keeping a farm running became more and more less lucrative after the war.

Both of my grandfathers were serving in the German army during WW2 and the same counts for their brothers. My parental grandmother was working in a female Flak-helper unit at the end of the war.

My father, working in a leading position for a mid-sized IT company, doesn´t believe into Asatru but he has clear rightwing views and particularly even more rigorous ideas how to solve several "problems" than me. For example, his ideas regarding what should happen to non-integrated Muslims in Germany aren´t exactly that what people would understand by the term "humanism"... He´s a sophisticated die-hard rightwing supporter. No Nazi, but a parade example of uncompromising and direct rightwing patriotism. He´s feared at the local regulars' table for his point-blank statements.

My mother tends to be politically desinterested but often utters her strong discomfort with issues of alienation, ghetto culture, EU-centralisation and political correctness.

Other family members share analogical views. Well, one of my uncles favours the Socialdemocratic party but he´s the "leftist" of my family. So now you know where the rest of us stands.

I´m a product of my family, both of their mind and blood, and I´m proud of it.

[Bärin]

No. My family educated me as a socialist and national communist. I can discuss with them any topic.

[Ocko]

My parents are dead now.

My father was a freemason, my grandfather was in the SS (kia).

My father was after the war desillusioned. He didn't believe really anything anymore, especially not party programs. He joined the SPD (socialist party) but that was merely to have 'connections' which he straightforward used.

I discussed my points at the family table and he was positive about it but didn't want to buy into it and simply warned me that it would hurt my career.

My brother turned mainstreem and wants good relations with everybody, so he shuns confrontation (even with me)

My sister was green nut but she started to change she gets more and more of my arguments, though I haven't really talked to her in a long time.


I think your problem was, that you turned it personally by bringing him and your ancestors into play. Bad move. If a discussions goes bad it is like an infectuous disease. It's difficult to not get involved. It's is better than to shut up and keep quiet. I also had to learn it the hard way, as I am combative and confrontational. But to be nonconfrontational and accepting the views of others is really the superior way. Though its hard if the subject really gets at you.

Southafrica and Germany had similar fates. Both tried to preserve the race and created great living conditions for our race. For jews this is dangerous, as it creates an example of how well it works when they are not involved.

The jews never stopped the war in Germany, they still try to destroy our race. They also do in SA. The ANC had 2 special jewish advisors which were connected to Rothschild.

Basically the same thing. Strategically the destruction is the aim, if they go tactically with white SA for a short time it doesn't hurt their long term aim.

[Sigurd]

I´m a product of my family, both of their mind and blood, and I´m proud of it.

Well, yes, I should have mentioned that my father is the "black sheep" there, and that it doesn't make much of a difference as he obviously doesn't live with us. In fact, he's even the Black Sheep in his own family, everyone else down that line is an über-Catholic Paleo-Conservative. Something down the Aemeric or Patrioten line.

As I always say - my grandparents are especially prominent in that, some of the things my grandfather has said clearly shouldn't be repeated in public, and in any case would have gotten him banned off Stirpes for being too Germanicist. I think if he A) knew how to work a computer, B) had the command of English and C) had the health to bother with some of the more bothersome posters he'd fit in well as a Regular here.

My grandmother is fairly Nationalist as well, and my auntie and my uncle (that is, her husband) aren't exactly the epitome of left-liberalism either. I'd classify them as National-Conservative (Valky'd probably get on well with this uncle). Only my biological uncle is a little different there, he's more towards the left, but then again he's also usually the stoic one when the rest of us behaves like a stereotypical Bajuvarian countryside-bred family.

My mother's liberal on some things, but critical on many of the issues we find today, she sometimes says a lot of things to me with a lowered voice. She's been a bit well-disposed towards the FPÖ at times, but this varies. It could certainly be worse, as she often finds she has to agree when I analyse some the current issues.

So yes, even though my father is completely on the other end of the spectrum, I do come from a family where, at large, German-Nationalism is the rule and gets passed on through the generations. My great-great-grandmother, so we hear, was asking for German unity long before even the Habsburg Empire broke apart.

One of my little brothers (ten years old) clearly needs some un-propagandising though. He was very cross when I told him why Hitler was better than Obama (), he watches too much TV. But at least he doesn't like the Turks, nor all the other ethnic kids in his class, which is a start.