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    Post Dimensions of face in Asia

    Am J Phys Anthropol. 1991 Jul;85(3):269-79. Related Articles, Links


    Dimensions of face in Asia in the perspective of geography and prehistory.

    Li YY, Brace CL, Gao QA, Tracer DP.

    Department of Anatomy, Chengdu College of Traditional Chinese Medicine, Sichuan, People's Republic of China.

    Data from 24 craniofacial dimensions were compiled for samples representing all the human populations of the world. These were converted into C scores and used to construct Euclidean Distance dendrograms. The populations of the world are best depicted as 8 major regional clusters representing: Africa, Amerind, Asia-Mainland, Australo-Melanesia, Eskimo-Siberia, Europe, India, and Jomon-Pacific. The mainland Asian cluster divided into northern and southern components. The Neolithic in both areas is less clearly associated with the northern or southern components and may represent the form of their undifferentiated precursors. This needs to be tested by the addition of further specimens and an adequate sample from South China. Mongols are peripheral members of the Asia-Mainland cluster and should not be thought of as typifying the region as a whole. The use of the term "Mongoloid" is inappropriate in both theory and practice.

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    Post Re: Dimensions of face in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by Euclides
    The use of the term "Mongoloid" is inappropriate in both theory and practice.
    The Tungid type of the most Mongols is an extreme of the "Mongolid" race and in this way presents phenotypically the Asian-Mongolid type.

    What would be the appropriate alternative?

    Why change good categories if not necessary? The phenotypical categorization is still true.
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    Post Re: Dimensions of face in Asia

    Are Mongoloids of today evolving away from the Extreme "Tungid" type because of more the more Temperate climate they are now living in?

    How come the genes for blondism in Mongoloids are almost non-existant, given they inhabit some low UV region...Like Manchuria which is also heavily forested.

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    Post Re: Dimensions of face in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    Are Mongoloids of today evolving away from the Extreme "Tungid" type because of more the more Temperate climate they are now living in?

    How come the genes for blondism in Mongoloids are almost non-existant, given they inhabit some low UV region...Like Manchuria which is also heavily forested.
    I think some selective trend are caused by more than one factor so that even living in the same area later doesnt mean that the same features MUST evolve.

    Especially if considering better protection, nutrition etc. by cultural improvements.
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    Post Re: Dimensions of face in Asia

    What's the difference between Tungid and Sinid?

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    Post Re: Dimensions of face in Asia

    The main difference is that Tungids are more brachycephalic, coarse, shorther legged, and just the most extreme Mongolid specialization whereas Sinids are not that overspecialized and more balanced in their physical character.

    I have posted some pictures here and I hope I can translate it very soon.
    http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=7701
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    Post Re: Dimensions of face in Asia

    I think some selective trend are caused by more than one factor so that even living in the same area later doesnt mean that the same features MUST evolve.
    It is theorized Mongoloids evolved on open snow covered open plains. Under strong light.

    Where as blondism is a European UP feature?

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    Post Re: Dimensions of face in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    It is theorized Mongoloids evolved on open snow covered open plains. Under strong light.

    Where as blondism is a European UP feature?
    Might be a possibility although blondism might be in low numbers in many Europid groups, so the development of blondism might occur quite fast under certain circumstances.

    F.e. in Northern forests after the ice age.

    I believe that even pigmented Mediterranoid farmers could have developed blondism-depigmentation in the years after their expansion to this Northern forests.

    Because if there is no sun protection and no forest or nebulous climate it is quite unlikely that such a high degree of depigmentation, even if considered attractive and was a bonus in sexual selection came up.

    If its just a flat land with much snow its no advantage...

    Maybe the time after the repopulation of Europe after the last ice age was as or even more important than the pre-ice age specialization.
    At least it seem to be possible imo.
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    Post Re: Dimensions of face in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by Euclides
    Am J Phys Anthropol. 1991 Jul;85(3):269-79. Related Articles, Links


    Dimensions of face in Asia in the perspective of geography and prehistory.

    Li YY, Brace CL, Gao QA, Tracer DP.

    Department of Anatomy, Chengdu College of Traditional Chinese Medicine, Sichuan, People's Republic of China.

    Data from 24 craniofacial dimensions were compiled for samples representing all the human populations of the world. These were converted into C scores and used to construct Euclidean Distance dendrograms. The populations of the world are best depicted as 8 major regional clusters representing: Africa, Amerind, Asia-Mainland, Australo-Melanesia, Eskimo-Siberia, Europe, India, and Jomon-Pacific. The mainland Asian cluster divided into northern and southern components. The Neolithic in both areas is less clearly associated with the northern or southern components and may represent the form of their undifferentiated precursors. This needs to be tested by the addition of further specimens and an adequate sample from South China. Mongols are peripheral members of the Asia-Mainland cluster and should not be thought of as typifying the region as a whole. The use of the term "Mongoloid" is inappropriate in both theory and practice.
    This guy is just trying to fit into the official chinese "five nations" doctrine and other kind of communist bullshit. Genetically seen, we are more similar to russians or finns than chinese. We build a separate sub-race called something like "northern mongoloid", characterised by broader skulls, heavier bones etc.

    Oh and actually, among modern mongolian population there is a grain of blondism. I don't know where that comes from, but I doubt it's an original mongoloid trait. Many mongolian kids have at the beginning blondish hair but when they get older their hair turns to normal color.

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    Post Re: Dimensions of face in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by Dome
    This guy is just trying to fit into the official chinese "five nations" doctrine and other kind of communist bullshit. Genetically seen, we are more similar to russians or finns than chinese. We build a separate sub-race called something like "northern mongoloid", characterised by broader skulls, heavier bones etc.

    Oh and actually, among modern mongolian population there is a grain of blondism. I don't know where that comes from, but I doubt it's an original mongoloid trait. Many mongolian kids have at the beginning blondish hair but when they get older their hair turns to normal color.
    Mongolians get their horses and mobile lifestyle from Indoeuropeans and Turks, its unlikely that just the lifestyle came.

    Especially if you think about the Tarim basin etc.

    Not to forget that aboriginal Sibirian populations (Sibirid) are not fully Mongolid at all and have a certain degree of hair blondism.
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