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    Question Afrikaners in England

    I've read that a large number of Afrikaner expats chose to move to England.
    There are a few Afrikaners from England on these forums but I noticed their behavior is different, so I'm curious how the group as a whole could be characterized. Some questions I have:

    Why England?
    Why is England chosen as an immigration destination? Is it the most popular one among expatriates?

    Resentment?
    Doesn't it conflict with the Boer War history and feelings of resentment? In another thread here, it's said there's still some feelings of resentment. How do the English react to Afrikaner immigrants?

    Integration or preservation?
    Do the Afrikaner immigrants take the path of integration? Are there ethnic enclaves of Afrikaners in England who retain their language and culture, or do they avoid identifying as Afrikaners or socializing with other Afrikaners?

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    I'd like to know what Afrikaners in South Africa think of their brethren who have moved to England or other places abroad during this time of crisis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    I've read that a large number of Afrikaner expats chose to move to England.
    There are a few Afrikaners from England on these forums but I noticed their behavior is different, so I'm curious how the group as a whole could be characterized.
    Possibly different because the environment for ones abroad is different to that of ones living in SA. SA is somewhat isolated geographically and culturally so that would have an effect. There'd be a host of other reasons as well I guess.

    Some questions I have:

    Why England?
    Why is England chosen as an immigration destination? Is it the most popular one among expatriates?
    I'm assuming you mean "why the UK?"

    - We already speak reasonably good to fluent English whereas other European languages aren't nearly as well understood or used.
    - The UK still has fairly close social, economic and cultural ties to SA.
    - Until recently it was possible to visit the UK without a travel visa. This has recently changed though.
    - It is possible (although becoming increasingly difficult) to do short term student type work in the UK. It's popular with people who want to travel Europe and use the UK as a base. Similar opportunities are probably near none-existent in the rest of Europe.

    It is one of the most popular destinations for expats. Many others also head for NZ, Australia, the US, Canada etc.

    Resentment?
    Doesn't it conflict with the Boer War history and feelings of resentment? In another thread here, it's said there's still some feelings of resentment. How do the English react to Afrikaner immigrants?
    Most of us are over the resentment phase though of course it's not something we'll be forgetting about. The hardcore "resenters" are mostly smalltown hicks. As for me, the war is over and in any case, I don't blame the citizens for the actions of their government. Politicians are usually rotten and people tend to be sheep.

    The English generally like us and we get along well with them. Of course there are the odd annoying "little Englishmen" or liberal types who do their best to make a nuisance of themselves but this is balanced out by anti-social louts from within our own community.

    An interesting phenomenon I encountered at work was that the English guys more or less accepted me as "one of them" but were not at all happy with the Poles flooding their country, lol

    Integration or preservation?
    Do the Afrikaner immigrants take the path of integration? Are there ethnic enclaves of Afrikaners in England who retain their language and culture, or do they avoid identifying as Afrikaners or socializing with other Afrikaners?
    A lot of them are in the UK for a year or two only before returning to SA so "integration" is a bit of a relative term. The social scene tends to revolve around hanging about in combined SA, Australian and NZ circles. None of these countries socialise or "integrate" heavily with the English or British. Presumably this is because the Brits already have their own social circles and the SA's, NZ's & Australians are all outsiders.

    In these cases the lingua franca is English as its understood by everyone. However, Afrikaners do also socialise with one another and most have no problem in identifying themselves as Afrikaners. There'll always be the odd clown pretending to be something else but one finds them in every culture.

    There are some "semi-enclaves" but these tend to be more South African as opposed to Afrikaans only. There are a number of Afrikaners in the Leytonstone area of East London, mostly blue-collar types. South-West London has a sizeable SA community. Mostly 20-something graduates and professionals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    I'd like to know what Afrikaners in South Africa think of their brethren who have moved to England or other places abroad during this time of crisis?
    There's probably a whole rainbow spectrum of opinions, lol

    Imo only the terminally stupid ones would be resentful. It's generally understood that SA is on a slippery downward slope and that countries like the USA, UK and EU will F*** us over no matter what we do just like they did in the past.

    It comes down to some basic choices. Stick it out no matter what happens or pack your bags. The bottom line is that there won't be a miracle or deliverance coming any time soon.

    There's only one realistic solution to "the crisis" and that is total war for independence from ZOG, the ANC and USA and EU meddling. Since this requires a lot of military hardware, a lot of finance, political will and internal organisation (and none of these conditions exist) it's a none-starter.

    In a couple of decades the USA and EU will become the New South Africa's. The same thing will happen to those regions that has already happened to SA. Only question is, where is there left to run to then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    There's only one realistic solution to "the crisis" and that is total war for independence from ZOG, the ANC and USA and EU meddling. Since this requires a lot of military hardware, a lot of finance, political will and internal organisation (and none of these conditions exist) it's a none-starter.

    In a couple of decades the USA and EU will become the New South Africa's. The same thing will happen to those regions that has already happened to SA. Only question is, where is there left to run to then?
    The US & the EU will not have the disadvantage of pressure from an outside source such as South Africa did in the 80s & early 90s (from the US & EU). There are already cracks in the system in the US. Commentators (including former idiot-in-chief Jimmy Carter) have stated that the protests against Obama are racially tinged, and they are right. I think we are seeing the awakening of a racial consciousness among White Americans. In the long run this will be good for the Afrikaners (or any other Euro-ethnic nationalist group) if for no other reason then the US will not be willing or able to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    An interesting phenomenon I encountered at work was that the English guys more or less accepted me as "one of them" but were not at all happy with the Poles flooding their country, lol
    Germanic populations instinctively consider Germanics from other ethnicities in general "kindred" rather than "undesired immigrants," "aliens," or "foreigners," unlike Slavs or even non-Europeans, no matter where you go. The genotypes are cognate, the phenotypes are within the indigenous range, the languages are similar, and the culture, morals, values and customs are related. Germanic ethnicities integrate quickly (and most Germanics want to assimilate if they intend to stay), and even where they preserve parts of their own nation's traditions and heritage, they do usally not pursue ethnic interests hostile to the host nation. They pick the language up quickly if they don't speak it already (and, again, are keen to learn it). They are as law-abiding as the natives (or even more so, as they can face deportation at any time, as long as they haven't been naturalized). They do not come to leech on the country's economy either or to sustain themselves from burglaries, robberies, drug dealing and organized crime. They do not expect from the natives to adapt to their own culture.

    In addition, members of Germanic ethnicities arrive in numbers with which, due to the ethnic similarity alone, the host nation can easily cope. On the other hand, there are in the meantime already more Poles in England than Irishmen, and they intend to stay Poles forever. They already have the impertinence to demand that Polish is taught in English schools. Just one example of many. They are in England to make a quick buck (instead of helping to reconstruct their own country) and to take advantage of the NHS, the public education system, the unemployment benefits and the social aid. If they couldn't get any money or personal benefits anymore, or if a real war broke loose in England, most would (fortunately) leave again. Don't expect any sacrifices from them.

    As a side-note, it's funny that even the politically correct Times could only list Marie Curie and two Polish sprinters from the 1930s and 1960s as examples for the Polish achievements in history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    The US & the EU will not have the disadvantage of pressure from an outside source such as South Africa did in the 80s & early 90s (from the US & EU).
    Very likely true but State Control (meaning liberal control) over every aspect of the citizen's life will be much stronger in the EU and US than it will ever be in SA. The US / EU "system" is much better organised and much harder to oppose.

    The current SA system won't survive long without ZOG and Western manipulation and backing. They'll fight amongst themselves (there are many different tribes) and from that point will become easy pickings.

    There are already cracks in the system in the US. Commentators (including former idiot-in-chief Jimmy Carter) have stated that the protests against Obama are racially tinged, and they are right. I think we are seeing the awakening of a racial consciousness among White Americans. In the long run this will be good for the Afrikaners (or any other Euro-ethnic nationalist group) if for no other reason then the US will not be willing or able to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries.
    Large Empires or Unions often crave expansion and both the EU and US (under their respective current leadership castes) are desperately slurping up whatever they can get their tentacles on. The Chinese are busy with similar strategies with regards to obtaining outside resources although interestingly their political and military activities outside their borders are (for now) much more low-key.

    The only thing that can save white nationalists anywhere in the world would be to have their particular regions secede and declare independence from entities like the US or EU and to cast off the current liberal mafias who have infected the social, political and economic spheres.

    On the one hand powerful unions are a necessary evil to protect us from outside threats but unfortunately our current powerful unions are posing as much of a threat to us from the inside as any outside enemy would pose to us. We're effectively experiencing slow cultural genocide of our culture and race in our countries, financed with our own wealth and implemented by liberal infiltrators who pass themselves off as being "part of our group and culture" but who cunningly never stop being part of a different culture / religion themselves.

    The only things which will prevent the US and EU in their current guises from interfering in other countries would be if economic and military decline made it difficult for them to do so. Imo some decline would be a good thing because it would make them think twice before embarking on foreign adventures but on the other hand, too much decline would put us at a disadvantage against the Indians and Chinese.

    Unfortunately in our case we already have a cancerous core (liberals, globalists etc) so its difficult to tell whether there is any sense in supporting or trying to preserve our current status quo and system which is becoming increasingly tuned to work against us.

    Either way, we (meaning all white Europeans from all over the world) are in a lot of trouble and it's going to be over for us sooner than we think unless something radical is done in the near future.

    It takes centuries or millenia to build a civilisation but, as history shows us, once it becomes contaminated destroying it only takes a couple of decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    - We already speak reasonably good to fluent English whereas other European languages aren't nearly as well understood or used.
    - The UK still has fairly close social, economic and cultural ties to SA.
    It's not only about fluency in English, and naming the cultural ties between the UK and SA misses a crucial point about Afrikaner Anglification. For reasons like the dissociation from Dutch as a cultural language, the higher prestige of English in SA due to its use in the media, entertainment and education sectors, and perhaps also efforts to dissociate from Apartheid, many Afrikaners have already adopted English as a sort of substitute cultural language.

    The difference between an Afrikaner emigrating to the UK and an Anglo-African doing the same is quickly disappearing, and for an Afrikaner to make the transition to living and working in an English country would be no less seamless. As is evident from the fact that you can assume the children of an Afrikaner and Anglo couple in South Africa today would be what is known as "first generation English speakers", Afrikaners are an easier case for assimilation into the English ethnicity than any other, even the Dutch with whom we actually are historically related.

    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    I'd like to know what Afrikaners in South Africa think of their brethren who have moved to England or other places abroad during this time of crisis?
    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    There's only one realistic solution to "the crisis" and that is total war for independence from ZOG, the ANC and USA and EU meddling. Since this requires a lot of military hardware, a lot of finance, political will and internal organisation (and none of these conditions exist) it's a none-starter.
    If we were to expect all to stay, the question "stay and do what?" would need to be answered. As far as I'm concerned we need the components RoyBatty mentioned above to be able to answer that, which are absent, so I have to agree with him. We are in no position to resent Afrikaners who leave. The fact of the matter is that there is no clear indication of the necessary changes coming into effect before it's too late. Our becoming a 2% minority is not a long-term estimate over numerous generations - the previously uncounted Black children already in the country only need to reach adulthood and be placed next to the same age-group of Whites to truly see how close we are to disappearing.

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    I fully understand why Afrikaners would choose to move away from it all and as a matter of fact I would certainly rather have Afrikaners moving in the British Isles (in humble numbers of course) instead of all those low-IQ Pollacks and other Slavs pouring inside the British Isles like wildfire and stealing from our economy by working under unreported employment like any non-white would.

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    Afrikaners can adapt to any conditions, some farmers have even left to Zambia. I am one of those who will stick it out, the idiots that are in power now, will not be able to last as they do not have the brain power, every element of basic service delivery is falling apart....besides crime this is one of the reasons thousands of Afrikaners are moving abroad to the UK, Australia and New Zeeland. The younger generation is less resentfull against the British because history as a subject in schools are politically taught to reflect only the struggle propaganda. Boer history is not a politically correct subject, and the idiots want to wish us away....Afrikaners integrate easily with fellow Germanics because we come from the same bloodlines, we share the same vision of building rather than breaking things down, and we all want to improve in everything we do....Germanics do not live from hand to mouth and breed like rabbits, we leave that to the rabbits. In my opinion Afrikaners will not always be welcome everywhere, but we are open hearted, friendly people, who respect fellow Germanic people and love to share in their culture. I pesonally take joy in the fact that many Afrikaners have left their homeland and are doing their best to live abroad as foreigners, rather than be ruled by a bunch of idiots, that combined have the IQ of a brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Why England?
    It is more familiar to Afrikaners in terms of language and (modern) culture, plus it is easy to get allowed in as a commonwealth citizen. Others head to predominantly white English speaking countries. Most do this to escape SA's racial disaster and its manifestations in addition to escaping the Apartheid guilt-cult.


    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Resentment?
    We aren't living in the late 1800's anymore plus resentment is usually directed at English South Africans (these may include people from other Germanic countries who adopted the 'English speaking South African' ways) who tend to be more liberal than Afrikaners in general. I lived in London for more than a year and I was well accepted by the English (as well as the other Brits) from the get go, they regard us as hardworking and well-disciplined. From my side I would say that most of the Germanic Brits gave me a lot of support (a English college even let me stay at his parents place for a extended period when I was in a tight spot). But we are generally known among them as just plain 'South Africans' and not Afrikaners.

    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Integration or preservation?
    Its hard to say, some try to get away from being the 'oppressive' Afrikaner and they distance themselves completely from other Afrikaners (some even develop cockney accents, I had a friend who did this ). Most just try and be a Afrikaner in a new setting, we do tend to cluster together in neighborhoods and open our own pubs/nightclubs with Afrikaner artists/musicians performing there and shops that sell traditional Afrikaner food and SA goods. From my observations large cities like London cause a decrease in morals and an increase in degeneracy among Afrikaners and will always lead to the extinction of Afrikanerdom/ism in such a setting. Some are just content at being the 'rainbow nation' Safa (short for South African in London), who are so 'proud' of their country when it comes to its predominantly white sport teams (apart from football) but do not have the guts to stick it out with the negroes back 'home'.

    I have to be honest and say that I would like to leave SA again after my studies, though not forever. This time I would like to go to Germany to further my studies instead of the UK, I've made considerable progress with learning Hoch Deutsch as well as studying key elements of German history and culture to adapt to such a move. I personally feel a greater connection with Germans (and other Volksdeutsche) than with the English, this may be due to the fat that my forefathers were German and Dutch and that Afrikaners are the only colonial Germanics that essentially maintained a language and customs less removed from Germania . I think Niedersachsen would be the best destination seeing as Plattdeutsch has many similarities to Afrikaans and would be the least challenging regional dialect to master. I know many Germans on this forum oppose such sentiments but I feel Germany, Flanders and the Netherlands would be the best places for certain Afrikaners to seek refuge.

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