View Poll Results: Should the nationalists renounce "stereotypical" imagery?

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  • Yes, but only the most extreme symbols. Not for example the runes or valknot.

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Thread: Should the Nationalists Renounce "Stereotypical" Imagery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sissi View Post
    If you use swastikas and Third Reich imagery, you catalogue yourself as a fringe lunatic, because that's what the average person thinks about the NS.
    If you shave your head and dress up like skinhead, people will think you are a racist, even if you aren't. So if it's not that kind of message you want to send across, then you should be more sensible about the imagery you choose to represent your ideas. Even people who aren't hostile to NS, don't want a kind of Hollywood nazi ideology, like these guys:



    Let's be honest, they produce some giggles and head shaking even within the "movement".

    Fewer people are put off by runes than the swastika.
    These are the assorted people I was talking about, they use all kinds of runic and hammer imagery etc. I'm talking about well dressed people with proper swastika flags that are so united and well spoken that everyone that doesn't fit in will try. It's better to set an example for everyone to strife towards than accept an assorted bunch and dumb down the movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oski View Post
    Nice conversation people

    OK here is a scenario: There are two preservation groups marching on your nation's capital (in separate places) and you feel you must join one.

    The first group: One million dressed in black carrying one million of the same swastika flag.

    The second group: One million dressed however carrying a million assorted national & runic flags, banners etc.

    What group are you going to join?
    I would join the group which has the beliefs and programme which is the best for my peoples. The swastika flags don't represent my favourite imagery, however, if they've goals which are better than the ones of the diverse group, it wouldn't be such a significant element. The most important thing is the politics and aims of the group. Because a group could use traditional imagery, but not be the best choice. I'm meaning for example groups like the heathens against hate. They use runes, valknots and other Germanic sacred symbols. But are they really for preservation? They're universalists, and want to accept anybody within the group.

    But we've to think not everybody thinks like me. Peoples need to have an open mind to accept controversated symbols like the swastika, and judge beyond the appearance.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlauVogel View Post
    I personally think that we have to stop all this political "decorum". If we want to be treated like serious and intelligent people, there is no place for skinheads, swastikas, big boots, bombers jackets and all the Bs. Let's just act like normal people ; be normal, dress like a lambda citizen, have a "normal" haircut, i am sure that this could work.

    The question is not "Do you want to find skinhead friends because you're a social looser ?", but "Do you want to change something in the politics, the Mores of your society ?".
    Indeed that should be the real question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    The 1st one, and not just because I'm nationalsocialist. But seeing them carry the same symbol would tell me they're united and have a common cause.
    The second group would seem dubious to me, prone to squabbles, infighting and an easy target for the divide et impera strategists.
    They might stick together until they gain something, but what will happen afterwards? Each will want to impose his own point, and it will become chaotic.
    Exactly my thoughts. But if there were a million marching with Swastikas, we would already have won. Really, I knew the answer to this before I finished reading.. unity of purpose is essential to getting anything done, but more importantly, it is a symbol of strength, which psychologically attracts folk, especially when they see that strength as the savior of their people. That is why it worked so powerfully in the 30s.

    This has been a theme here and moreso on Stormfront, where Swastikas were banned so as not to "scare off" potential converts. Really, the symbolism does not matter to me. The Swastika is essentially borrowed from India, if I'm not mistaken, with the idea that the Aryans brought it with them from the common PIE urheimat. We're not even sure that's true, though, so there is really no need for us to be connected to such a symbol.

    However. If the swastika were to be somehow "liberated," THAT would be a symbol in itself, because it would confirm that the jew had lost his power to shame us for that era, and would signal his powerlessness. I think this is one of the keys to breaking the dominance of the jew.. to make impotent in the minds of the people all the words and ideas used to enslave us. I see this happening within the past couple of months here in the U.S. That all important tool of the jew, the term "racist," has become quite a bit overused. Obama has even been trying to get people to stop throwing this term around so haphazardly.. he knows this will make it impotent and anger the White population which is so remorselessly slandered with it every day. And that's what is happening.. they are beginning to go too far with this.

    Back to the psychology of strength.. the reason people follow a government which is so much against their best interests is that they feel powerless to oppose it. The more you liberate people's thoughts toward nationalism, the more powerful it becomes, until it will quite naturally be a real force. In days of old, the contender who was viewed as most powerful became king, because people wanted to side with the winner. Things are changing fast in this world, and our people are beginning to realize that they will have to stand up and unite against the oppressors who enslave us and the minds of our children. Nationalism has a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    This has been a theme here and moreso on Stormfront, where Swastikas were banned so as not to "scare off" potential converts.
    Hmm, was that the only reason? Isn't it that swastikas are illegal in most of Europe, and that forum has European chapters and European staff too? In that case it's better to avoid such problems. In my view at least. Because a symbol isn't worth going behind bars for, especially if you could still express the same ideals through a substitute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    Hmm, was that the only reason? Isn't it that swastikas are illegal in most of Europe, and that forum has European chapters and European staff too? In that case it's better to avoid such problems. In my view at least. Because a symbol isn't worth going behind bars for, especially if you could still express the same ideals through a substitute.
    Yes, now that you mention it, that was a reason as well. Thanks.

    I agree that we don't need the swastika.. but the BRD seems overly eager to ban anything nationalists use as a symbol. We could just usurp the star of david.. that would make their circuits overload.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    Yes, now that you mention it, that was a reason as well. Thanks.

    I agree that we don't need the swastika.. but the BRD seems overly eager to ban anything nationalists use as a symbol. We could just usurp the star of david.. that would make their circuits overload.
    Hmm, I don't see them banning the star of David even if it was used by nationalistic peoples. They've banned swastikas, Celtic crosses, the black sun, hmm, if I'm correct even some runes, but they couldn't ban the symbols of the peoples and culture they consider impossible to be racist and hateful.

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    I don't like when nazi imagery is used for nationalist Germanic movements.
    I don't support the hate laws.
    But not all of us are nazis,
    and in some countries like Denmark nazism isn't close to the nationalist's heart.
    If you want a symbol for all Germanics to feel good about,
    it must be accepted unanimously.
    I think it's better if we go back in time when Germanics were having a single faith,
    and use the symbols accordingly.

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    Well, I think the old symbols are quite outdated and old-fashioned. Their image is just too negative and we won´t attract new valuable supporters of our common goals with them. But people need symbols and some kind of imaginery to identify themselves with a specific movement. So using no symbols at all isn´t a good idea as well. We need new symbols, symbols who don´t stand for a country alone but for the whole Germanic world and our matter of self preservation as a cultural entity.

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    Some autonomous nationalists in Europe have began using the Red flag and Black flag. This infuriates the leftists, confuses the media/liberals and appeals to anti-capitalist youth. There is no copyright on symbols - we should use all symbols when we think it is appropriate - different symbols for different target audiences.

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    I answered yes, but only for the more extreem symbols (like Swastikas, or fascist symbols). Other symbols which are more present in european culture, like runes, mjolnirs, stylised celtic crosses, christian crosses (etc..) are ok because they are true to our ancestral heritage. Shocking people may be fun when you're a teenager, but it never brought anything politically.

    I have often thought the "stupid nationalists" or "stupid nazis", although providing helpful manpower in some situations, tend to make the entire nationalist movement look bad by their behavior. I mean, just one drunk skinhead on night who starts provocations and fights probably ruin a year's worth of militant activity by sincere and intelligent nationalists.

    As for political parties, a good stance would be NOT using any shocking symbols, trying to appeal to a majority of voters and not only the extreem ones. In today's western society, I believe the only far right political parties which can gather a fair amount of voters are those which can appeal to many different people, from simple patriots to racists/nazis. Losing the simple patriot vote would mean a considerable percentage of the electorate.

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