View Poll Results: Should the nationalists renounce "stereotypical" imagery?

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  • Yes, but only the most extreme symbols. Not for example the runes or valknot.

    47 52.22%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    Do you know what doesn’t attract people either?
    Obsessing about and arguing against a part of your own side at any given opportunity and criticising them with more emotional passion than your actual enemies. Then accusing them of oppression of your point of view, when they debate you.

    Infighting is very unappealing to most people, especially if it’s entirely unnecessary.
    First of all, I do not consider neo-nazis to be on "my own side", except for those cases that grow out of this ideology and return to reality. For this of course, they would need to take their heads out of their clouds and realize:

    1. it is not 1939-1945.
    2. the Führer is dead and there will be no "second coming".
    3. neo-nazism will not overtake Germany - or any part of the world except for Israel - again.

    Otherwise, neo-nazis who play dress-up and stereotypical symbolism do nothing but to destroy any work that could advance the idea of Germanic preservation into the hearts and minds of our folk. The Germanic folk has been infected by indoctrination and dogma for decades. We do not need more indoctrination and dogma - which is what NS teaches - to get out of this mess, but we need independent minds, who are not afraid to think and judge for themselves. We do not need cult personalities for the Führer but we need a folk that question authority and arrives at their own conclusions. Neo-nazis merely want to replace an authoritarian system with another, perhaps even more authoritarian.

    Any halfway thinking person knows deep inside how ridiculous those skinheads waiting for 40 years for Ragnarök to come or trying to start silly little race wars - and drink in the meantime and beat up 1-2 underage migrants to show what great warriors for the white race they are - look. Please. And if they look ridiculous to people who support Germanic preservation, you can imagine how they look like to the average Joe. He wants nothing to do with them. Nothing. They are a laughing stock, nothing more nothing less.

    Furthermore, a reason to reject neo-nazis is the fact that they have been staunch supporters of Zionism. It started with Hitler himself and ends with the alt-right, NSM88, the Traditionalist Workers Party and the Nationalist Front.

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    We need to progress and cut the cancer from its roots, otherwise we will be merely pawns in a game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    First of all, I do not consider neo-nazis to be on "my own side", except for those cases that grow out of this ideology and return to reality. For this of course, they would need to take their heads out of their clouds and realize:

    1. it is not 1939-1945.
    2. the Führer is dead and there will be no "second coming".
    3. neo-nazism will not overtake Germany - or any part of the world except for Israel - again.

    Otherwise, neo-nazis who play dress-up and stereotypical symbolism do nothing but to destroy any work that could advance the idea of Germanic preservation into the hearts and minds of our folk. The Germanic folk has been infected by indoctrination and dogma for decades. We do not need more indoctrination and dogma - which is what NS teaches - to get out of this mess, but we need independent minds, who are not afraid to think and judge for themselves. We do not need cult personalities for the Führer but we need a folk that question authority and arrives at their own conclusions. Neo-nazis merely want to replace an authoritarian system with another, perhaps even more authoritarian.

    Any halfway thinking person knows deep inside how ridiculous those skinheads waiting for 40 years for Ragnarök to come or trying to start silly little race wars - and drink in the meantime and beat up 1-2 underage migrants to show what great warriors for the white race they are - look. Please. And if they look ridiculous to people who support Germanic preservation, you can imagine how they look like to the average Joe. He wants nothing to do with them. Nothing. They are a laughing stock, nothing more nothing less.

    Furthermore, a reason to reject neo-nazis is the fact that they have been staunch supporters of Zionism. It started with Hitler himself and ends with the alt-right, NSM88, the Traditionalist Workers Party and the Nationalist Front.

    We need to progress and cut the cancer from its roots, otherwise we will be merely pawns in a game.
    To me national socialism is just about the nation and its folk, nothing inherently more or less.

    You lead by example in being well-dressed, honorable, intellectual, caring, and inspiring. I agree that running around sieg heiling and playing dress-up or looking ridiculous doesn't help. It only reaffirms how the lying media falsely portrays nationalists to the masses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fjaran View Post
    To me national socialism is just about the nation and its folk, nothing inherently more or less.
    You might add a set of financial and social policies there.

    Quote Originally Posted by fjaran View Post
    You lead by example in being well-dressed, honorable, intellectual, caring, and inspiring. I agree that running around sieg heiling and playing dress-up or looking ridiculous doesn't help. It only reaffirms how the lying media falsely portrays nationalists to the masses.
    Full agreement, no costume contest. Especially from weirdos for whom it's all about provoking some grown ups by "being a Nazi".

    Be well dressed, well spoken and good at your work. And exemplary citizen, if you want. Right now, I think Heimbach is on a right track with that as far as follow ups of National Socialism are concerned.

    In my view Think Tanks and Vanguards decide what direction society is going. Hint: It's not enough to use it in name only.

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    First of all, I do not consider neo-nazis to be on "my own side", except for those cases that grow out of this ideology and return to reality.
    They’re on our side in so far they’re not actively propagating our physical and psychological destruction, as does about everyone else. Whether they’re a very useful addition is doubtful, yes.

    Otherwise, neo-nazis who play dress-up and stereotypical symbolism do nothing but to destroy any work that could advance the idea of Germanic preservation into the hearts and minds of our folk.
    True but you seem to appear to devote more time despising them than were your contempt would be more due.

    The Germanic folk has been infected by indoctrination and dogma for decades. We do not need more indoctrination and dogma - which is what NS teaches - to get out of this mess, but we need independent minds, who are not afraid to think and judge for themselves. We do not need cult personalities for the Führer but we need a folk that question authority and arrives at their own conclusions.
    Well, it seems we’ve now moved on from larping to actual historical NS.
    In an ideal world, I would agree with you and I disagree with the Führerkult, nor would I call myself a Nationalsocialist. But is the historical record in favour of letting the mass decide either?
    As it stands, very few people are actually capable of free thinking. It’s not something you can teach them either because by that alone, they’re influenced. Unless someone could be entirely objective but that is unrealistic.

    Neo-nazis merely want to replace an authoritarian system with another, perhaps even more authoritarian.
    What is better:
    An (rather indirect) authoritarian system that seeks to destroy your people, your culture and everything you love?
    Or an (rather direct) authoritarian system that seeks to preserve you and elevate you to new heights but is perhaps not to supportive of any little nonsense “freethinkers”(none of whom is actually free) come up with?

    In the end, the mass of people will always be influenced. The question is only, from which side.

    Any halfway thinking person knows deep inside how ridiculous those skinheads waiting for 40 years for Ragnarök to come or trying to start silly little race wars - and drink in the meantime and beat up 1-2 underage migrants to show what great warriors for the white race they are - look. Please. And if they look ridiculous to people who support Germanic preservation, you can imagine how they look like to the average Joe. He wants nothing to do with them. Nothing. They are a laughing stock, nothing more nothing less.
    Yes, all of this is true, but what will ranting about it all the time help? The type of “neo-nazi” you speak about is probably so unintelligent that nothing you or anyone else could say, would convince him of putting himself to better use for his people nor is he probably actually interested in it.
    But, again, there are very few of such people and if there is nothing we can do about them it’s better to focus our limited resources on something else.

    Furthermore, a reason to reject neo-nazis is the fact that they have been staunch supporters of Zionism. It started with Hitler himself
    I never understood this rejecting of a “Zionism” that merely sought to get the Jews out of Europe. Unless you’re speaking about the ridiculous little theory of a NS infiltrated and controlled by the very people they persecuted.
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    Like most others, I voted for the second option. I believe that it would benefit nationalists if they avoided copying certain stereotypes. For example, I have nothing against the swastika, it being an ancient symbol used by Germanics, however using it as a representative symbol would immediately lead to marginalization and associations with (neo-)nazism. The question is, would that help or hinder nationalists. I believe it would hinder them, and this without even considering the value of national socialism itself.

    That said, I don't believe in watering down what we believe in. "Mainstreaming" an image should only refer to the presentation, and not the essence. In short, the same thing can be said in many different ways.

    Nationalists just need to stick to the most effective one, both from a legal and a strategical point of view, and more importantly, we need to stick together. If we argue about symbols amongst ourselves, then perhaps they are counterproductive. The most important should be the goal, not the badge.

    A similar topic would be Nationalist Solutions: Be the Answer Not the Sterotype. I've posted this in a separate thread because it doesn't only concern imagery. But I will post a relevant excerpt here too, as I think it applies quite well:

    The idea is to show the public that the establishment portrayal of Nationalism is wrong and is politically and ideologically motivated to prevent a fair hearing of an alternative political narrative. Nationalists should aim to deconstruct the negative stereotype of the Nationalist by not living up to the stereotype.
    Basically, I believe that nationalists shouldshow that they are more than and beyond "stereotypical" imagery. After all, there is more to a book than its cover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resist View Post
    Like most others, I voted for the second option. I believe that it would benefit nationalists if they avoided copying certain stereotypes. For example, I have nothing against the swastika, it being an ancient symbol used by Germanics, however using it as a representative symbol would immediately lead to marginalization and associations with (neo-)nazism. The question is, would that help or hinder nationalists. I believe it would hinder them, and this without even considering the value of national socialism itself.
    ....
    That's the problem. "Neonazis" copy stereotypes that are transmitted via the mass-media, educational system, cultural industry. They don't even copy the original National Socialists. At least that is the norm. But even if they copied the NSDAP and it's subsidiary organisations, I wonder if that would be advisable. I mean Italians don't copy the Romans, French don't copy the Sans-culottes, Norwegians don't copy the victims. Any generations needs to find an expression of their own. Otherwise, we're dealing with nostalgia clubs, reenactors at best. That has staunchly limited value, but what we need is present actors, with an outlook on the future and not reactionaries that are in a defensive position and act accordingly in a way that is manageable for the enemy.

    And I believe the present institutions have the capability, in fact are almost specialized, to handle "Neonazis" and reactionaries. All they need to do is to say:"Look, those Neonazis are just like you know it of the movies" or "Oh, look those reactionaries, they dream of yesterday and the average age of their club members is way beyond pension age". They also have an arsenal of figures to infiltrate that kind of organizations. It's no coincidence that a lot of "Neonazis" are informants or agent provocateurs at the same time.

    To me the approach of the Identitarians seems to be the most promising right now. It's insufficient though. We need to have an intellectual arm, an activist arm and a support leg (economic + supporter base) to stand on. There are some in the broader identitarian movement that already think like that.

    As for "authoritarianism", we need to realize that any persistent system is hierarchical in nature. The question is rather how disguised that hierarchy is or not. There is not a single egalitarian movement or organization of note. All successful companies, parties or other organisations have some sort of hierarchical structure. They may preach egalitarianism of some sort, but that's not how they work in practice. So why not embrace hierarchy and authority? That would at least be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    Hmm, I see. It's not the same in Germany. There I heard it's been banned. Here a theme about it:
    Celtic Crosses Banned In Germany

    In the UK they might not be seen as extremists because of the Irish heritage there?

    Here they're used by white nationalists. For example the New Right, they've the Celtic cross on flags, but I think it happens in other countries too.
    LOL @ Irish extremists and the Celtic Cross. I'm all for banning it, just to watch the shitfit eruption, no different than the Indian Mutiny. All Muslims should be forcefed swine and all Hindus should be forcefed oxen, enough to make them leave or get with the programme.

    Where me, myself and I are concerned, the proper imagery includes flags, coats of arms and family trees as well as baptismal certificates. I celebrate Germanic architecture like stave churches and Germanic scripts like Runic and Fraktur. I have zero use for WWII kits and decor. To me, all that is a parody of true Germanic aesthetic. Don't get me wrong; I think the Swastika looks superficially cool and the SS symbol is okay, but that's the extent of it. I'd rather hoist a Raven banner and Nordic Cross. I have lots of imagery and refuse to be lost in the 20th century.

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