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    Should the Nationalists Renounce "Stereotypical" Imagery?

    What is your view on this theme?
    Stereotypical imagery is Third Reich and Hitler imagery, swastikas, skinheadism, the Celtic cross and other white nationalist symbols. In other words, many of the symbols which are associated with racism and hate by ordinary peoples.
    Do you think nationalism should embrace a new image and work on new symbolism, which isn't socially stigmatised, to cater to more normal peoples?
    Please post pro and contra opinions, it's a theme which I consider important to the future strategy of nationalistic movements.

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    I think there is always a place for stereotypical imagery. Why should we give up our ancient and important symbols? Do you see the mainstream giving up their multicultural propaganda?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oski View Post
    I think there is always a place for stereotypical imagery. Why should we give up our ancient and important symbols? Do you see the mainstream giving up their multicultural propaganda?
    I agree, although it's also wise to be discreet and not 'hollywood nutzi' about things.

    I do think though that one problem is that images, icons and history were used so effectively as propaganda to attract people in the past, that it's hard to use them again in todays world (because people are put off by the connection), but there is nothing to replace them either, and there can't be either, since we can't just make up a new history and symbols of the past.
    For instance, runes etc. are on sites like ADL as 'hate symbols'.

    Anyway, no matter what we do we'll be considered 'evil' so might as well get on with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oski View Post
    Why should we give up our ancient and important symbols?
    That's a good question. On this theme nationalists have split opinions. Some say it should be given up because it's illegal, and it's not worth wearing a swastika shirt if it's going to put peoples in prison. In the USA it's not however, but there's a negative message through it nonetheless. Because some peoples who still care about Germanic preservation avoid these symbols and the people who wear them.

    Do you see the mainstream giving up their multicultural propaganda?
    Hmm, in the present situation no, because there isn't a proper need for it. Their propaganda is legal and accepted. But if the roles were reversed, and nationalists gained control over social norms, I would see them subverting. Because a message can be sent in many ways, even subtly.

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    I believe in freedom of speech, so I do not wish to stop a National Socialist from waving his NSDAP flag. I do believe however that is it not an intelligent move if he wants to do more than attract other National Socialists. National Socialism is an un-Germanic ideology and it acts as a repellent. The National Socialist Movement in the USA has never got anywhere far despite that associating according to this ideology is protected by our Constitution, while European right-wing parties who do not use National Socialist symbols have even made it to Parliaments.


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    Parties who want to play a role in the FRG should keep it legal. If they used swastikas they would be immediately banned for being anticonstitutional, so that should be avoided. But otherwise, if it's legal, a symbol it shouldn't be dropped just because some Jew labels it racist and hateful. If Germanics do that, the multiculturalists will realize they can control the movement, and label more and more things as racist. If nationalists give them up one by one, the movement will soon remain void, because it will have stripped itself from everything it stands for.

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    This is an interesting question with a difficult answer.

    I think the swastica is quite problematic and is better not used to label organisations, parties or whatever, at least not in Germany.

    With other 'typical NS' imagery which includes runes the answer though is far more difficult. Runes are our heathen symbols, they belong to our faith, as well as jewelry such as Thor's Hammer, Valknut, etc pendants. I think on them we should stand strong against the stigma and if necessary play their tricks back on them and demand religious freedom.

    The swastica though is the only symbol that is loaded with so much history burden and therefore should not be used. It would indeed repel the most people.

    For the other symbols that are commonly brandmarked as hate symbols, runes, celtic crosses, things that belong to our culture, it would be utterly contraproductive to self-censor them. It is our culture that we want to preserve after all. In fact, I think we should increase their usage and make them a common view again.

    The people connect hate symbols with a minority, it loses its hate symbolism when it's seen everywhere. People will refuse to think that everyone belongs to an extreme minority.

    For official organisations or parties there should be a new 'corporate identity' like every business needs today. Specially parties shouldnt play with old or known symbolism but indeed use their own design. It is a question of good marketing to catch the attention of people. And a good marketing concept will create a sense of first-sight integrity.
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    I think the arguing about nazi symbols on forums is a silly thing.
    Nationalists have something else to worry about now, to arrive in a position from where they can make significant changes. Once they are there, they can use any symbol they like.
    Until that happens, it's more important to focus on reaching their goals. If you have to wear a suit or a potato sack to do it, why not? Just do whatever it takes. The end justifies the means, that's how they should think about it.

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    It is interesting to me that you added the Celtic cross, that is not seen as an extremist symbol here at all. But I do think that the symbols should be dropped, I agree that we should not have to, but sometimes sacrifices must be made because we must manage to converse with the majority of people, and to them "Nazi" imagery is just that, a huge turn off and an instant way stopping them listening to anything else you may have to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oakenbough View Post
    It is interesting to me that you added the Celtic cross, that is not seen as an extremist symbol here at all.
    Hmm, I see. It's not the same in Germany. There I heard it's been banned. Here a theme about it:
    Celtic Crosses Banned In Germany

    In the UK they might not be seen as extremists because of the Irish heritage there?

    Here they're used by white nationalists. For example the New Right, they've the Celtic cross on flags, but I think it happens in other countries too.

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