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    The Occult Heart of Nazism

    National Socialism is a misnomer. It has nothing to do with socialism, and it really doesn’t involve nationalism, either. Nations are irrelevant. Hitler knew this, hence Anschluss et al. The arguably best NSBM and nationalist bands are not even ‘German’, they’re all Russian, Hungarian, Slovenian, and so forth. Friedrich Nietzsche, probably the smartest philosopher of his time, was not ‘German’: Prussian by birth, he was a ultimately a deliberately stateless individual who chose to identify himself as ‘Polish’, of all things, when asked. The Federal Republic of Germany is not German, it is a construct of strictly Judaeo-US design. The Jewish influence is far more pervasive than the average tool realises. (To illustrate, I once embarked on an architecture degree at the German university of Brunswick. For the uninitiated: the place is steeped in Nazi history, connexions everywhere. Oddly enough, everybody has been taught to hate Nazis. The faculty is saturated with Jews and Judaeophiles, the curriculum is slanted towards Jewish designers, artists and architects, there is a tenured Jewish professor, there are subsidised excursions to Israel and photographs of inferior Jewboy designs on the walls of the architecture wing, you can’t miss them. Last week, I received an e-mail from the Jewish head of the graphics department, inquiring about possible housing for freshers. Apparently, there are no flats available anywhere near campus, excepting those run by the notorious ‘Burschenschaften’, all ‘Nazis’ of course, can’t have that, can we? Note that this is rubbish, most of these fraternities have been in existence for well over a century.)

    The concept of subhumans versus Aryans is also flawed. I have genetic memories of the home planet, whereas the monkeys and Jews (this includes Xtians, by the way, Xtianity is a Jewish invention, pitiful, stupid and insane from my perspective) do not. Consequently, if ‘human’ is supposed to be taken as some form of descriptor for the majority, as it commonly is, ‘humans’ are beasts, no different from cattle, and they have no inherent value whatever. Passports mean nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Seany View Post
    National Socialism is a misnomer.
    Quite right, it is actually 'Nationalsocialism'.

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    It has nothing to do with socialism, and it really doesn’t involve nationalism, either.
    A matter of proper definition.

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    Nations are irrelevant.
    Nations are life processes.

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    Hitler knew this, hence Anschluss et al.
    You are overlooking the distinction between nation and state, a common mistake when examining Nationalsocialism on a background of Anglo-liberal education.

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    The arguably best NSBM and nationalist bands are not even ‘German’, they’re all Russian, Hungarian, Slovenian, and so forth.
    Good for them, and otherwise irrelevant.

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    Friedrich Nietzsche, probably the smartest philosopher of his time, was not ‘German’: Prussian by birth, he was a ultimately a deliberately stateless individual who chose to identify himself as ‘Polish’, of all things, when asked.
    He was not German then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Seany View Post
    The Federal Republic of Germany is not German, it is a construct of strictly Judaeo-US design.
    True, but the qualifier is a redundancy. US attempts to shape our social and political structures are always acts of aggression, no matter which US is perpetrating them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    Quite right, it is actually 'Nationalsocialism'.
    Not in English.
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    Nationalsocialism is not an English ideology.

    In German, there is a difference between 'Nationalsozialismus' and 'nationaler Sozialismus' (socialism with 'national' as a qualifier).
    Last edited by Hauke Haien; Saturday, September 5th, 2009 at 11:06 PM. Reason: added further explanation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    Nationalsocialism is not an English ideology.
    Since we’re communicating in English, I think I have a good case for insisting on proper usage of the English language. I would be equally anal about the subject were were to commune in German, or any other language, for that matter. (This is my last post for today, really tired, don’t wait for a response. Gute Nacht.)
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    I think this has to be the least thoughtful and most historically incorrect thread I have seen in a few years. I'd not even expect this from an average politically-correct History lecturer!

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Seany View Post
    Nations are irrelevant. Hitler knew this, hence Anschluss et al.
    First of all, even if we go by internationally accepted definition of what constitutes a nation or ethnic group, then Austria in 1938 would not have qualified as a nation by any stretch of imagination, a state at best.

    Note also the existence of the Anschluß idea in the manifesto of virtually all Austrian parties between the Wars, and their originally intended (but forbidden by the Versailles, Saint-Germain and Trianon treaties, respectively) state name of "German Austria".

    Thirdly, remember that for almost 1,000 years, the German Emperor sat in Vienna, that notable persons including Mozart considered themselves German, etc. etc. pp.

    Finally, on a more humorous note, since Hitler himself was Austrian, the Anschluß would have at any rate been a deed of Nationalism, even if Austria had fulfilled all the requirements for a nation.

    The arguably best NSBM and nationalist bands are not even ‘German’, they’re all Russian, Hungarian, Slovenian, and so forth.
    NSBM is the greatest musical misnomer, even more so than "Viking Metal". Few bands who are classified as NSBM actually sing about anything surrounding that ideology directly, the exceptions are few and far between: Der Stürmer from Greece, as well as Nordglanz and Ulfhethnar from Germany. All those other bands such as Temnozor have not once sang about National Socialism. Sturmkaiser and Ürdüng can't be counted along the NSBM line either.

    Other than that, Germany is arguably the place of the best BM, and arguably also the place of the best bands who are often lumped with the NSBM classification, such as Nachtfalke or Totenburg. Arguably only Finland compares, with such bands as Hammer or Satanic Warmaster.

    Friedrich Nietzsche, probably the smartest philosopher of his time, was not ‘German’: Prussian by birth, he was a ultimately a deliberately stateless individual who chose to identify himself as ‘Polish’, of all things, when asked.
    Statelessness nor personal identifications change your lineage. Nietzsche's surname is a fundamentally German and Germanic surname, meaning, "Son of Nicolas" - a direct translation of Nixon.

    If we went by citizenship, all those Black footballers are English. They like to refer to themselves as that, too, BTW. And back to statelessness, Hitler was himself stateless between 1925 and 1932, but this did not change his essential lineage as "German by nation, Bavarian by blood, Austrian by state".

    Apparently, there are no flats available anywhere near campus, excepting those run by the notorious ‘Burschenschaften’, all ‘Nazis’ of course, can’t have that, can we? Note that this is rubbish, most of these fraternities have been in existence for well over a century.)
    SOme Burschenschaften actually even had Jewish founding members back in the 19th century. Whoever was seen to identify with the National-Libertarian movement of the 19th century essentially ended up founding a different Burschenschaft, in a way. That some notable Jews considered themselves as German Nationalists is well-known, an example would be author Stephan Zweig, despite his "interesting" approach.

    The concept of subhumans versus Aryans is also flawed.
    The term "Aryan" was disused in official documents in 1935. By its prior official definition, virtually all Europeans would have qualified as "Aryan".

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Seany View Post
    Since we’re communicating in English, I think I have a good case for insisting on proper usage of the English language.
    Not if that use of the English language is originally based upon a mis-translation. Hauke Haien pointed this out, that the German language is more specific in drawing a line between Nationaler Sozialismus and Nationalsozialismus, both of which translate into "National Socialism". You simply make the error of equating both strands.

    For the distinction between Nationalsozialismus and Nationaler Sozialismus please also refer to this post of mine, which should clear up the important distinction between those two strands of Nationalist thought.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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