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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim View Post
    "They also need to stop saying 'we were first', as Europeans are the first people to inhabit North America (no idea about other areas). "

    What do you mean? There were people here in North America when Europeans came.
    Google "Ice Age Columbus" and Kennewick man.

    A further question. What about aboriginal attempts to preserve their culture. Are you for the preservation of aboriginal culture, or for complete assimilation? Or something else?
    That's their problem, none of our tax dollars should go towards it.
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    Interesting. But even if you are correct, the stone age European immigrants would have either ded out or woud still exist today as part of the native population. The question remains.

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    My answer remains the same.
    Don't let Europe Rule Britannia!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resist View Post
    How is putting them in reservations ethnic cleansing? It's preserving their lifestyle.
    Would you think it is positive to be put on a reservation?

    Everyone knows these places are full of drunks and crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim View Post
    Interesting. But even if you are correct, the stone age European immigrants would have either ded out or woud still exist today as part of the native population. The question remains.
    Well they continued to exist in Greenland, which is part of North America. European extinction in North America is recent, and has obviously been reversed. We are just as native to the land as Amerindians, only a Liberal traitor disagrees.

    And even looking at First Nations populations; they are the highest ever now. These people have thrived under our rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim View Post
    Interesting. But even if you are correct, the stone age European immigrants would have either ded out or woud still exist today as part of the native population. The question remains.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kogen View Post
    Would you think it is positive to be put on a reservation?
    Well, if the choice is to either die out, blend in with a population one has no racial, spiritual or cultural ties, or to be allowed to be in a self-contained community where all these things have a potential of being preserved, I'd probably rather live in a reservation and see them preserved than to die out completely.

    Everyone knows these places are full of drunks and crime.
    The way as to how they manage their self-contained communities, is their responsibility, not that of European-descended Americans/Canadians. You can only as much as give them access to basic amenities and facilities, but you can't force them to lead a noble lifestyle, that is something they'll have to manage on their own.

    Well they continued to exist in Greenland, which is part of North America.
    The Norse colony in Greenland would appear to have ceased to be around the mid-16th century. The causes for this are yet unknown - whether they blended in, where killed by hostility from the Inuit, or merely moved back into Europe due to a changing climate --- fact is, that the European colony in Greenland is no more.

    And even looking at First Nations populations; they are the highest ever now. These people have thrived under our rule.
    Yes, as far as population size is concerned, there was no evident decimation. They lost much territory, but of course North America was not particularly densely populated prior to the arrival of "here to stay" Colonial Europeans, so to the layman observer it will of course look like there was a mass-holocaust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kogen View Post
    Everyone knows these places are full of drunks and crime.
    Perhaps because they are full of Indians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    Well, if the choice is to either die out, blend in with a population one has no racial, spiritual or cultural ties, or to be allowed to be in a self-contained community where all these things have a potential of being preserved, I'd probably rather live in a reservation and see them preserved than to die out completely.
    It is not like that, though. People do mix in with them. They do leave and mix with outsiders. They cannot speak their own langages. And I could keep going. It is more like a ghetto of wiggers.

    The way as to how they manage their self-contained communities, is their responsibility, not that of European-descended Americans/Canadians. You can only as much as give them access to basic amenities and facilities, but you can't force them to lead a noble lifestyle, that is something they'll have to manage on their own.
    We should not have put them in these places. I would rather give them a chunk of land to call their own, take away everything European, then leave them alone and watch from afar.

    Instead we throw money at them and it messes up their society.

    Do you think they could afford or make alcohol/guns themselves?

    The Norse colony in Greenland would appear to have ceased to be around the mid-16th century. The causes for this are yet unknown - whether they blended in, where killed by hostility from the Inuit, or merely moved back into Europe due to a changing climate --- fact is, that the European colony in Greenland is no more.
    The climate changed and they were living off of farms, not fish. This lead to rapid extinction.

    And fact is... Europeans are a minority on Greenland and Denmark owns it. We pay for it, live there, and it is ours.

    We were there first, so all rights to us, as they like to say.

    Yes, as far as population size is concerned, there was no evident decimation. They lost much territory, but of course North America was not particularly densely populated prior to the arrival of "here to stay" Colonial Europeans, so to the layman observer it will of course look like there was a mass-holocaust.
    Well at first it was, but due to disease, not a slaughter. We did not try to do it, just like the Mongols never tried to give us the Black Plague. It was natural and now they are stronger because of it (just like we are).

    Funny how they blame the white man for the nature they pretend they love.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedJack View Post
    Perhaps because they are full of Indians.
    We put them there and gave them the alcohol.

    There is a different between Liberal surrendering and actually being able to admit our own mistakes. Here they have started banning aclohol for them and it does improve things. These people are not used to it like we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kogen View Post
    These people are not used to it like we are.
    I agree with you there. They seem to have less resistance to it than Europeans do.
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