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    What is Your Attitude Toward the First Nations?

    Or Indians or Aboriginals, etc. The point is the question. I'll answer a bit later.

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    It's long past time for them to stand on their own two feet as individuals and quit harping on the alleged evils of the past and pressuring the government for special treatment
    Don't let Europe Rule Britannia!

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    Even though they never asked for that government in the first place?

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    Especially because they never asked for it. Do you honestly think any of the current crop would prefer living in a buffalo hide tent in a 40 below prairie blizzard if the white man and his technology could be magically taken away?
    Don't let Europe Rule Britannia!

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    Can you really blame them for the welfare thing? Liberals are throwing money at them at every turn, what do you expect them to do? Not take it?

    My view towards them is that we have to work with them, have dialogue, et cetera as there is no other choice. A minority of them are good and reasonable people, so it is possible to get results if sought after enough.

    I am not sure what it is like for others, but here I do not see them as a demographic threat. Of our 500 000 people, only about 20 000 are First Nations/Inuit. So there is no possible way they can be blamed like one blames, say, Chinese immigrants. They simply do not 'take over'. Plus, they have no where else to even go.

    Some problems I have with them (not the Liberals, who cause most of the problems) is when they make greedy claims to the 'land'. Things such as hunting whatever they want as much as they want - as if they own fish more than a European does, or that laws to manage the eco-system are not applied to them. Even if offered by the Liberals, I think a person who cares for their homeland would not abuse it.

    Besides general crime/'ghettoism', I also dislike how some of them tend to stick to 'diversities' instead of us. If I see an Indian grouped together with a bunch of Asians, then instantly I lose all respect for it. I have no problem with them being friends of us, as we should be working together for our nations we founded together (not implying intergration here), but to befriend hostile immigrants is to become a traitor, just as one should view a European doing the same.

    And, of course, the whining is unacceptable. They need to shut up about 'the white man', as if we have anything to do with white men 500 years ago. They also need to stop saying 'we were first', as Europeans are the first people to inhabit North America (no idea about other areas). First Nations seems to describe them well enough, as they were the first people to establish themselves fully to the land. I also have a problem with them 'braging' about themselves, like when they go around telling others how they get free schooling and we have to pay for it, or whenever I see ads like 'we are the fastest growing demographic, we should control businesses, et cetera'; I am not sure what kind of reaction they expect from this, as my first instinct is to reduce their population when I hear that, which is not what either of us should want.

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    First of all, I think the term "First Nations" is a misnomer. These groups are not and never were "nations," nor were they "first". These "nations" just happen to represent their social and cultural evolution at the point of contact with Europeans.

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    They had distinct nationalities, so calling them nations is correct in my view.

    Would you not consider European tribal groups as nations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kogen View Post
    They had distinct nationalities, so calling them nations is correct in my view.
    Hardly. The concept of nationhood is something that was loosely applied to them by Europeans. The Europeans admittedly having many fanciful notions of Indian social and political development.

    Would you not consider European tribal groups as nations?
    I see no logic in applying modern political concepts to peoples who predate these concepts. That kind of thinking is ideologically based and has no basis in fact. The fact being that we really can't know what they thought themselves as being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedJack View Post
    Especially because they never asked for it. Do you honestly think any of the current crop would prefer living in a buffalo hide tent in a 40 below prairie blizzard if the white man and his technology could be magically taken away?
    I know some who would....but I won't get into that

    "They also need to stop saying 'we were first', as Europeans are the first people to inhabit North America (no idea about other areas). "

    What do you mean? There were people here in North America when Europeans came.
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    A further question. What about aboriginal attempts to preserve their culture. Are you for the preservation of aboriginal culture, or for complete assimilation? Or something else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim View Post
    A further question. What about aboriginal attempts to preserve their culture. Are you for the preservation of aboriginal culture, or for complete assimilation? Or something else?
    I hope you're not suggesting that their plight is somehow comparable to that of Germanics... The political culture that has emerged during the last half-century or so which has enabled the growth of the Indian self-determination movement has come at the expense of true Canadian culture and heritage. It's not a mutually beneficial parallel evolution.

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