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    Atheism: A Jewish Thing?

    "Almost without exception, the intellectual leaders of Marxist atheism in Germany were Jews, among them being Erich Weinert, Felix Abraham, Dr. Levy-Lenz and others. At regular meetings, held in the presence of a notary public, members were requested to register their declaration of withdrawal from their church for a fee of 2 Marks. And this the fight for atheism was carried on. Between 1918 and 1933 the withdrawals from the German Evangelical Churches alone amounted to two- and-a-half million persons in Germany. The programme which these atheistic societies laid down in regard to sexual matters is amply charcterized in the following demands publicly expressed at meetings and distributed in leaflet form:

    1) The complete abrogation of the paragraphs of the law dealing with the crime of abortion, and the right to have abortion procured free of charge in State Hospitals.

    2) Non-interference with prostitution.

    3) The abrogation of all bourgeois-capitalistic regulations in regard to marriage and divorce.

    4) Official registration to be optional and the children to be educated by the community.

    5) Abrogation of all penalties for sexual perversities and amnesty to be granted to all persons condemned as 'sexual criminals'.

    "Truly a case of methodical insanity, which has for its aim the wilful destruction of the nations and their civilization and the substitute of barbarism as a fundamental principle of public life.

    "Where are the men behind the scenes of this virulent world movement? Who are the inventors of all this madness? Who transplanted this ensemble into Russia and is today making the attempt to have it prevail in other countries? The answer to these question discloses the actual secret of our anti-Jewish policy and our uncomromising fight against Jewry; for the Bolshevic International is in reality nothing less than a Jewish International."

    Part of a speech by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, delivered in Nuernberg on September 13th, 1935 at the Seventh National-Socialist Party Congress.


    http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goeb58.htm

    Is the pope Catholic? Richard Dawkins - Jewish.


    His mother was Jean Mary Vyvyan Dawkins (nee Ladner).
    http://www.biographybase.com/biograp...s_Richard.html

    Ladner Name Meaning and History
    Jewish (Ashkenazic): occupational name for a shopkeeper, from a
    derivative of Laden ‘shop’.
    http://www.ancestry.com/facts/Ladner-civil-war.ashx

    -Names ending in "-ner" (Asner, Lardner, etc.)
    http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache...n&ct=clnk&cd=3

    'Jewish lobby' model for atheist
    JTA, Published: 10/02/2007

    A renowned atheist cited the "Jewish lobby" as a model for his campaign to promote atheism in the United States.

    Richard Dawkins said he wanted to gain the same kind of influence as the Jewish lobby, saying it "monopolizes" U.S. foreign policy.

    "When you think about how fantastically successful the Jewish lobby has been, though, in fact, they are less numerous I am told -- religious Jews anyway -- than atheists and [yet they] more or less monopolize American foreign policy as far as many people can see," Dawkins, a British evolutionary biologist who advocates atheism, told the Guardian newspaper. "So if atheists could achieve a small fraction of that influence, the world would be a better place."

    Dawkins, an Oxford professor who wrote the best-seller "The God Delusion," told the Guardian that he wants to organize American atheists to counter the influence of religious groups.

    "I think some sort of political organization is what they need," he said.

    http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache...n&ct=clnk&cd=1

    What are they up to?


    "The Communists are against religion (Christianity), and they seek to destroy religion; yet, when we look deeper into the nature of Communism, we see that it is essential nothing else than a religion (Judaism)." (A Program for the Jews and Humanity, Rabbi Harry Waton, p. 138).
    __________

    "The Jews welcome this revolution in the Christian world, and the Jews should show an example. It is not an accident that Judaism gave birth to Marxism, and it is not an accident that the Jews readily took up Marxism: all this was in perfect accord with the progress of Judaism and the Jews." (A Program for the Jews and Humanity, by Rabbi Harry Waton, p. 148). __________

    http://wake-up-america.net/jews_and_...sm__part_1.htm


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    uh, ok (dunno if I find these kind of posts more funny or more sad). I guess you didn't read the sentence which said 'almost all Marxist atheists are jews' or notice that the speech by Goebbels was railing against 'Jewish Bolshevieks'. Then, your last quotes are about Communism, not atheism.

    I'm suprised you didn't quote 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion'... which states that 'marxism' and 'darwinism' are doing the jews work in destroying the west. I've seen people on fora use that as 'evidence' against Darwinism and somebody here even once used that to claim that Darwin was a jew - shameful that one of the greatest european minds should be used in that way, shows how idiotic some of these people can be. 'Protocols' being a fake written by a priest may have something to do with those comments...
    I can't find anything to confirm 'Ladner' is a jewish surname (the first link you provide has it as German as well, and many 'jew' names are also ethnic German) but Dawkins had an 'anglican' upbringing (unlikely for a 'jew'), and besides there are many european marxists and Darwinists who aren't jews who were atheists long before Dawkins (eg. JBS Haldine).

    BTW, there are also plenty of Euro-atheists going back through time (one example off the top of my head, David Hume) and europeans who helped inspire communism, eg the levellers/digger movement in England, Thomas Muntzer in Germany, Thomas More in England, and a play satirising a 'communist' like society in ancient Greece...

    If atheism is a Jewish thing what does that make Christianity, which actually did originate in Judea and had a jew as it's founding prophet, unlike atheisms and 'egalitarian' views which find expressions all over Europe all through history?

    in sum, I find your post idiotic.

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    Did you get the idea for this post over at Stormfront?
    Here is a link to that thread.
    I haven't read all of it yet, but I will look to see if anybody there can back up these claims:

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=540308

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    In general I think these 5 points Marxism was pushing for in Germany at that time was connected with their aim of social and family structural decline rather then with Atheism the main reason IMO they advocated the abolishment of Christianity was because Christianity to a degree supports healthy social and family structures. Anti abortion and the marital institution supported by Christianity does not sit well with Marxist ideals. However I fail to see how the connection can be made that atheism is of Jewish construct. One could argue in the same vague manner that Christianity is of Jewish construct, I guess one should try and stick to the more verifiable things known of Jews instead of giving them credit for just about every theological view out there.
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    Personally I think only an idiot would want to be known as a “Atheist” Belief in God aside.
    Agnostic is probably a term that would be used by a sensible person. Generally because most of them are, at least the ones in the public Eye are closed minded leftist fanatics. Who are yes, generally Jews. But I would say if you look at Jewish Atheism it does have a sharp edge. They do not like Christians because in the past, Christianity united the grater population as one force. A force that was Undefeatable to them.

    They want a population that is easy to knock off, and easy to control, and once Christianity moved into the non Jewish population it had an effect they did not like, and was not controllable to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Renwein
    I've seen people on fora use that as 'evidence' against Darwinism and somebody here even once used that to claim that Darwin was a jew
    FYI Darwin was a Christian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EQ Fighter View Post
    Christianity united the grater population as one force. A force that was Undefeatable to them.
    I fail to see the logic on this one too, If Christianity was 'undefeatable' to the Jews, we would not be on Skadi discussing our preservation. The thread christianity on Skadi should indicate just how divisive Christianity truly is in the Germanic sphere.

    PS: Do you have some proof to support that Darwin was a Christian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimner View Post


    PS: Do you have some proof to support that Darwin was a Christian?

    (Source for information: christiananswers.net)

    Many people are under the impression that Charles Darwin, the most well known promoter of evolutionism, died a Christian and renounced his theory. This is mainly due to rumors surrounding his death, and the fact that he studied at seminary as a young man and is buried in Westminster Abbey.

    Charles Darwin's thinking and writing on the subject of evolution and natural selection caused him to reject the evidence for God in nature and ultimately to renounce the Bible, God, and the Christian faith.

    Darwin did not lack religious influences in his youth. Baptized an Anglican and steeped in his mother's Unitarianism, young Charles was brought up to pray. He used to run the mile or so from home to school, concerning which he wrote:

    "I often had to run very quickly to be on time, and from being a fleet runner was generally successful; but when in doubt I prayed earnestly to God to help me, and I well remember that I attributed my success to the prayers and not to my quick running, and marvelled how generally I was aided."

    He had dropped out of medical studies after two years at Edinburgh, and his father suggested to him the calling of an Anglican clergyman. Charles wasn't sure whether he could accept everything in the Thirty-nine Articles of the Church of England. However, he later wrote:

    "I liked the thought of being a country clergyman. Accordingly I read with care Pearson on the Creed and a few other books on divinity; and as I did not then in the least doubt the strict and literal truth of every word in the Bible, I soon persuaded myself that our Creed must be fully accepted."

    During his three years of theological studies at Christ's College, Cambridge, he was greatly impressed by Paley's Evidences of Christianity and his Natural Theology (which argues for the existence of God from design). He recalled:

    “I could have written out the whole of the 'Evidences' with perfect correctness, but not of course in the clear language of Paley,” and, “I do not think I hardly ever admired a book more than Paley's 'Natural Theology.' I could almost formerly have said it by heart.”

    In a letter of condolence to a bereaved friend at that time, he wrote of “so pure and holy a comfort as the Bible affords,” compared with “how useless the sympathy of all friends must appear.”

    His intention to enter the ministry, he wrote, was never “formally given up, but died a natural death” when, on leaving Cambridge, he joined HMS Beagle as an unpaid naturalist. However, the religious influences in his life did not abate. His official position was that of gentleman companion to the captain, and for the next five years Darwin heard the Bible read and expounded on a regular basis.

    Captain Robert FitzRoy was a deeply religious man who believed every word in the Bible and personally conducted divine service every Sunday, at which attendance by all on board was compulsory.

    Darwin later recalled his own doctrinal orthodoxy when, in discussion with some of the officers, much to their amusement he quoted the Bible as “an unanswerable authority on some point of morality.” And at Buenos Aires, he and another officer requested a chaplain to administer the Lord's Supper to them before they ventured into the wilds of Tierra del Fuego.

    Despite all of the above religious influences in his life, the decline of Darwin's faith began when he first started to doubt the truth of the first chapters of Genesis. This unwillingness to accept the Bible as meaning what it said probably started with and certainly was greatly influenced by his shipboard reading matter—the newly published first volume of Charles Lyell's Principles of Geology (the second volume, published after the Beagle left England, was sent on to Darwin in Montevideo). This was a revolutionary book for that time. It subtly ridiculed belief in recent creation in favor of an old earth, and denied that Noah's Flood was world-wide; this, of course, was also a denial of divine judgment.

    Based on James Hutton's dictum that all natural processes have continued as they were from the beginning (2 Peter 3:4), or 'uniformitarianism', Lyell's book presented Darwin with the time frame of vast geological ages needed to make his theory of natural selection as the mechanism of evolution 'work'. One of Darwin's biographers calls Charles's reading of this book his 'point of departure from orthodoxy'.

    And when Lyell died in 1875, Darwin said:

    “I never forget that almost everything which I have done in science I owe to the study of his great works.”

    Inevitably, the more Darwin convinced himself that species had originated by chance and developed by a long course of gradual modification, the less he could accept not only the Genesis account of creation, but also the rest of the Old Testament as the divinely inspired Word of God. In his Autobiography, Darwin wrote:

    “I had gradually come by this time, [i.e. 1836 to 1839] to see that the Old Testament was no more to be trusted than the sacred books of the Hindoos or the beliefs of any barbarian.”

    When Darwin came to write up the notes from his scientific investigations he faced a choice. He could interpret what he had seen either as evidence for the Genesis account of supernatural creation, or else as evidence for naturalism, consistent with Lyell's theory of long ages. In the event, he chose the latter—that everything in nature has come about through accidental, unguided purposelessness rather than as the result of divinely guided, meaningful intention, and, after several years, in 1859 his Origin of Species was the result.

    On the way, in 1844, he wrote to his friend, Joseph Hooker:

    “I am almost convinced... that species are not (it is like confessing a murder) immutable.”

    Concerning this, Ian Taylor writes, "Many commentators have pointed out that the 'murder' he spoke of was in effect the murder of God."

    Having abandoned the Old Testament, Darwin then renounced the Gospels. This loss of belief was based on several factors, including his rejection of miracles: "the more we know of the fixed laws of nature, the more incredible do miracles become"; his rejection of the credibility of the Gospel writers: "the men of that time were ignorant and credulous to a degree almost incomprehensible to us"; his rejection of the Gospel chronology:

    "the Gospels cannot be proved to have been written simultaneously with the events";

    and his rejection of the Gospel events:

    "they differ in many important details, far too important, as it seemed to me, to be admitted as the usual inaccuracies of eye-witnesses."

    Summing up the above, he wrote:

    “by such reflections as these... I gradually came to disbelieve in Christianity as a divine revelation.”

    One major factor that contributed to Charles's apostasy is worth noting--the role model of his father, Robert, and of his grandfather, Erasmus. Both were ' freethinkers', so disbelief was an acceptable trait within the Darwin family--perceived not as 'a moral crisis or rebellion,' but perhaps even as 'a filial duty'. Indeed, in 1838, when Charles had become engaged to Emma Wedgwood, a very devout Unitarian, Robert had felt the need to advise his son to conceal his religious doubts from his wife--other households did not discuss such things.

    Surrounded as he was by unbelievers, and having soaked his mind in literature that rejected the concept of divine judgment in earth's history, Charles mused:

    “I can hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true; for if so, the plain language of the text seems to show that the men who do not believe, and this would include my Father, Brother, and almost all my best friends, will be everlastingly punished. And this is a damnable doctrine.”

    In 1880, in reply to a correspondent, Charles wrote:

    “I am sorry to have to inform you that I do not believe in the Bible as a divine revelation, & therefore not in Jesus Christ as the Son of God.”

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    My Point is Grimner, that under Christianity Europe matured as a continent. Im am also saying that Jews did not expect it to incorporate the local culture which is what happened. As far as preservation goes, the most destructive Jewish Philosophy is Marxism, and that has done far more damage then Christianity ever did.

    In fact it has done it in decades and not centuries. If you start adding up casualties of Marxist and Oligarch Democracy, they have an unprecedented murder rate more then any other event in human history.

    Hundreds of millions of victims under the soviet system alone, contracted out as many puppet systems all over the world. From China to N Korea. Then add in the social victimization under various social engineering regimes directly derived from Marxist thinking.

    Basically the Marxist have done what Christianity was never able to do.
    Take over the world.
    Force the population into slavery of a few elites. Most of them Jewish Marxist.

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    My oh my.

    No. Atheism is not a Jewish thing. Perhaps there were indeed a few forward-thinking souls among the Jewish community back then, but that doesn't mean they 'invented' it.

    They can't win can they? If they're religiously observant, they're evil and exclusivist (true I suppose), and if they're atheist, then they must be up to something aswell.

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    Hmm, in my view Atheism would have surfaced anyway, because where there is belief, there is also disbelief unfortunately, and it's irrelevant who 'invented' it. We may actually not even know who was the first person who disbelieved in deities (the true 'pioneer' Atheist), but it certainly wasn't Dawkins or Marx.

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