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    Which is Right ?

    Here in the U.S. both democrats and republicans are calling each other National Socialist which one right or wrong or are they both wrong? Please explain why.

    Not having much info on National Socialism other than baised historical media, I would like to form my own idea on what real people think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Baughman View Post
    Here in the U.S. both democrats and republicans are calling each other National Socialist which one right or wrong or are they both wrong? Please explain why.

    Not having much info on National Socialism other than baised historical media, I would like to form my own idea on what real people think.
    Well, the Democrats lean a little socialist, well, if you want to attack your opponent, being socialist is half of being national socialist!

    The Republicans lean more nationalist, stronger federal government/military, things of that nature, well, according to democrats, they advocate an authoritarian police state, which is almost NS!

    Both sides are extremely far from actual NS ideology... though I'd probably think that the Republicans are closer, but still pretty far.

    Edit: I suppose that the Republican party somewhat resembles pseudo-fascism, though, of course fascism was the product of Europe's unique plitical climate in the early 20th century, and it is wrong to label modern governments with outdated words, I suppose that the Republican party shares a lot of similarities with fascist thought, not NS thought as much though.
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    Both are liberals with the right of the individual as their primary principle of order. Nationalsocialism has a completely different approach, where the worth of the individual emanates from the community and feeds back into it. The most valuable individual is the Führer, a term that ultimately traces back to "Herzog", which is not merely a title of nobility and analogous to "dux/duke".

    He is seen as the incarnation of righteousness, determining and upholding what is right. As Carl Schmitt explains:

    Der Führer schützt das Recht vor dem schlimmsten Missbrauch, wenn er im Augenblick der Gefahr kraft seines Führertums als oberster Gerichtsherr unmittelbar Recht schafft.
    The Führer protects Right (compare: Arta/Asha) from gravest abuse when, in the moment of danger, he creates immediate law as the highest judge by power of his leadership.
    Transcendent human rights, either upheld or violated, have no relevance and do not even exist here.

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    "If the conservatives don't shoot you on the way in, the liberals will shoot you on the way out."
    - William Burroughs, himself a trigger happy, liberal homosexual who shot and killed his own wife during a game of "William Tell".

    Of course they never will stop and explain just what a National Socialist is. They just expect the public to immediately think "Nazi".
    Both parties are interchangeable. They compliment the other. They smear each other in public and and shake hands in private. They both work toward the same goals, which, like Hauke said, is a liberal one.

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    It seems to be a sport to label the political opposition as 'nazi', that's what social-liberal and neo-liberal parties like the Democrats and Republicans are all about. Yet, American society doesn't resemble NS Germany at all.

    The tragedy is that this constant infighting between materialist political factions actually establishes the ethical code for our society, which is, consequently, not nazi in the slightest bit. In between the forces of hawkish capitalists and crypto-socialists, are conservative and nationalist values being hammered and smashed.

    What is acceptable right and left of center thought has, in the end, nothing to do with values you'd want to uphold as a folk nationalist. That's the very practical result of political correctness. Yet the national majority is stuck in a world of limited thought; we do police ourselves.

    The 'accusation' of being nazi shouldn't be taken literal, after all, the people who are labeling others nazi usually don't know what they're talking about. It's just an attempt to gain the moral high ground in the political debate by describing the opponent as shrewd, unlegitimate, unjust, cruel, incompetent, demonic, and lusting after power. In this context, when Democrats and Republicans and their followers call the opposition 'nazi', one can only conclude that they're both right.

    Seen in the light of our times, the word 'nazi' means little more than 'traitor to the glorious cause of global enlightenment'. It means you still belong to that old culture, that simply refuses to die.
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    Politicians and journalists are a cruel joke that God plays on the world. You laugh so hard until it hurts and it hurts and angers one so much until pain turns to bliss. It is the people who don't get the joke that you have to worry about, that is, those who keep supporting these immature liars who have no shred of decency let alone legitimacy to rule a sandbox.
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    Democrats are more or less the US version of Far Left Communist/Bloshivics, they despise the foundations of the country and attempt to over turn the constitution because it is threatening to what they are attempting to set up world wide.

    Republicans are more or less middle of the road, but they are still to the left of most of the White/Germanic or real Americans.

    Both parties are bad for the country and are used by the grater Globalist to accomplish their agenda.

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    They are both essentially the same political party. The term Nazi is thrown around as a propaganda tool so that the politics of national socialism is never taken seriously. Its all psychological manipulation.

    "Hey I believe in good breeding (eugenics). It makes perfect scientific and logical sense!" Then you are responsible for killing 6 million Jews!

    Literally I heard some news programs recently talk about eugenics in the health care debate and they literally said that believing in eugenics leads to 6 million jews dead. The two obviously are not connected. That's like saying if you believe drinking is bad that means you want to exterminate all people who drink. Or some other such nonsense.

    "Hey I believe in limiting immigraiton. It logically isn't good for the country for the following reasons!" you are a nazi! you eat babies!

    Obviously the term "nazi" is used any time you want to condemn something without a logical premise. Obviously killing Jews, experimenting on people, silencing dissidents etc. has nothing to do with national socialism's political philosophy or democrats or republicans. It's always used as a psychological/emotional manipulation tactic to get people to reject what is logical.

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    yes but there is National Socialism and there is National Socialism...

    I've always been more inclined towards the Strasserite faction of the party which I believe held true the original principles of National Socialism.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism

    and

    http://strasserism-online.blogspot.c...rasserism.html

    The rise of National Socialism is the protest of a people against a State that denies the right to work.

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