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    French Pool Bans Moslem 'Burkini' Swim Wear



    French officials have banned a Muslim woman from swimming in a public pool while wearing a swimsuit that covers her entire body.

    The woman had swum in July in the pool in Emerainville, east of Paris, in the "burkini" - a loose-fitting garment resembling a wetsuit with a hood.

    But staff stopped her from swimming in August, citing hygiene concerns.

    It comes as the government examines ways to limit burka use after the president said they reduced dignity.

    France is home to Western Europe's largest population of Muslims, with about 5 million living there.

    "That type of suit does not exist in the Koran" - Mayor Alain Kelyor

    At the pool, staff "reminded [the woman] of the rules that apply in all (public) swimming pools which forbid swimming while clothed," pool management official Daniel Guillaume was quoted by AFP as saying.

    The woman was a French convert to Islam, and had bought the swimsuit in Dubai so that she would not have to uncover herself to go swimming.

    "Quite simply, this is segregation," she said, according to Le Parisien newspaper, which identified her only as Carole.

    "I will fight to try to change things. And if I see that the battle is lost, I cannot rule out leaving France."

    Emerainville Mayor Alain Kelyor said "all this has nothing to do with Islam", adding that the swimsuit was "not an Islamic swimsuit" and that "that type of suit does not exist in the Koran".

    'Prisoners behind netting'

    In June the French National Assembly appointed 32 MPs to a six-month fact-finding mission to look at ways of restricting burka use.

    In a major policy speech that month, President Nicolas Sarkozy said the burka - a garment covering women from head to toe - reduced them to servitude and undermined their dignity.

    "We cannot accept to have in our country women who are prisoners behind netting, cut off from all social life, deprived of identity," Mr Sarkozy told a special session of parliament in Versailles.

    In 2004, France banned the Islamic headscarves in its state schools.

    Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8197917.stm

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    As much as I hate Islam, and as much as I oppose the Muslim presence and influence in Western countries, I really think this is a bit ridiculous. These are simply not valid reasons to ban such clothing or swimwear; I can accept the argument that face veils should be banned for reasons of public safety (after all I'd be suspicious of someone walking the streets in a balaclava).

    But staff stopped her from swimming in August, citing hygiene concerns.
    Maybe this is more reasonable than it sounds, but it sure sounds ridiculous. How exactly would this costume effect hygiene?
    Seems to me that some people will use any old excuse to encourage immoral behaviour, and discourage people from dressing modestly.

    I remember a swimming pool where t-shirts were banned; I think the reason given was that the material causes some problem with the water system. But of course they didn't ban all clothing, so it can't have been too big a problem; I'm very skeptical, and when each pool gives a different reason for why people shouldn't wear much, one tends to be suspicious that there is another reason, which none of them want to give

    In a major policy speech that month, President Nicolas Sarkozy said the burka - a garment covering women from head to toe - reduced them to servitude and undermined their dignity.

    "We cannot accept to have in our country women who are prisoners behind netting, cut off from all social life, deprived of identity," Mr Sarkozy told a special session of parliament in Versailles.
    This is just stupid; if women want to reduce themselves to servitude and undermine their own dignity, that's their problem.
    By all means, ban face veils because they allow potential criminals to disguise themselves, or even as a way of discouraging Muslim immigration (), but you can't ban an article of clothing there is nothing innately wrong with, simply because you don't like the reason why it is worn.

    Whilst his attack on Islam might sound encouraging, if we look at the principle of what he's doing it sets a precedent which is possibly rather worrying. It's a case of the state deciding what attitude people should have about themselves, and then trying to enforce it.

    So I would oppose such legislation in principle.

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    I'm all for muslims covering themselves. Let them stay as foreign as possible.

    I'm just happy to hear unwelcoming laws/incidents.

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    I have to agree with reasoning being foolish as well, as I am sure deep-sea divers wear a similar dressing.

    But still, I am entirely supportive of the banning of Islamic wear, as they are not welcome. If they must lie to do it, then I suppose they can.

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    No integration but remigration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kogen View Post
    If they must lie to do it, then I suppose they can.
    It isn't a lie --a roundabout way-- to ban muslims.

    It is about feminist /chivalrist /runt-ocracy social engineering.

    It is not like they are going to stop immigration or deport those here already after this.

    The liberal 'marxist' (;-) machine of western culture is using your racist instincts to further its interests; you as 'useful idiots'.

    And if society is going to outlaw displays that lack self "dignity" and imply servitude, is it going to outlaw males wearing leashes and leather hoods and stuff in the artsy [femdom] side of town?

    If society believes females have been brainwashed into only thinking they are making freewill voluntary decisions about what to wear, then why doesn't society believe that everything the females (and males) believe is the side effect of brain washing [by 'authority']?

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    My question would be, why didn't the French "CONVERT" stay in Dubai?

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    Quote Originally Posted by prodeutsch View Post
    My question would be, why didn't the French "CONVERT" stay in Dubai?
    Because she does not want to give up the comforts and refinements that her ancestors worked for, fought for, and died for to give her. Life in the desert was probably not as appealing to her as life in elegant Paris.
    Her excuse would probably be something like "France is becoming islam, so whether I am here or in Dubai makes no difference." Uh-huh.

    Also, I imagine that she found the muslims in France to be more sympathetic to her than those in Dubai, who consider such "converts" to be nothing less than posers. This is a side of islam that the media hardly ever discusses, which is that most non-immigrant muslims are utterly opposed to integration. Big surprise.

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    Hmm, although Sarkozy is to be taken with caution, one thing one cant blame him of: that he wouldnt take care of the 'public order'

    Banning burkinas, banning headscarfs from state schools

    I mean, it's a start after all, and probably it brings the topic to further discussion. Sure, he doesnt throw them out (yet?), but when one country starts questioning their 'culture enriching' value... who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    Because she does not want to give up the comforts and refinements that her ancestors worked for, fought for, and died for to give her. Life in the desert was probably not as appealing to her as life in elegant Paris.
    Her excuse would probably be something like "France is becoming islam, so whether I am here or in Dubai makes no difference." Uh-huh.

    Also, I imagine that she found the muslims in France to be more sympathetic to her than those in Dubai, who consider such "converts" to be nothing less than posers. This is a side of islam that the media hardly ever discusses, which is that most non-immigrant muslims are utterly opposed to integration. Big surprise.
    Maybe so, but I say she has chosen sides....time to kick her to the curb!

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