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    Post Re: Why communism doesn't work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried Augustus
    I fully agree with you on this one - though we probably have different perceptions of what the sacred entails
    Well lets not trouble ourselves with that just yet, and enjoy our moment of solidarity.

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    Post Re: Why communism doesn't work?

    I wouldn't dispute that Communism is also defective on the spiritual level. However, since their worldview is entirely materialistic, it is advantageous to explore its economic deficiencies in depth - this allows one to explain, in a debate, why their system cannot live up to its promises of a better material life, even on its own terms.

    By contrast, if you debate the materialistic nature of Communism per se with a Marxist, they will simply categorically reject your points, and you will end up talking past each other. Demolishing their arguments on their own terms is a more effective way of dealing with them, in my experience.

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    Post Re: Why communism doesn't work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Telperion
    I wouldn't dispute that Communism is also defective on the spiritual level. However, since their worldview is entirely materialistic, it is advantageous to explore its economic deficiencies in depth - this allows one to explain, in a debate, why their system cannot live up to its promises of a better material life, even on its own terms.

    By contrast, if you debate the materialistic nature of Communism per se with a Marxist, they will simply categorically reject your points, and you will end up talking past each other. Demolishing their arguments on their own terms is a more effective way of dealing with them, in my experience.
    Thats true. What I was mainly talking was all this "Well people just dont like to share" "I cant be a Communist because there are some things I want to be mine", or "I hate Communism because I want to be rich", or as one dope once told me "Communism sucks because there'd be no MTV"(Im not joking somebody actually said this to me). Thats mainly what Im talking about really, rather the petty materialist arguments against Communism.

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    Post Re: Why communism doesn't work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    as one dope once told me "Communism sucks because there'd be no MTV"(Im not joking somebody actually said this to me).
    That's one of the funniest things I've ever heard, actually.

    Thats mainly what Im talking about really, rather the petty materialist arguments against Communism.
    You're certainly right to criticize these sorts of 'arguments', since they discredit the people who make them, rather than discrediting Communists.

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    Post Re: Why communism doesn't work?

    Quote Originally Posted by dazed&confused
    So I have to know why, if marxism is unanimously recognized as a disastrous ideology, some people still refer themselves as being 'communists', expecially in my country (Italy). Did they ever read anything of Marx? And if so, did they understand it?
    Communism couldn't work because our minds are not yet prepared for such a thing. It all looks very well in theory, for everyone to have the same ammount, but in that case who would want to work. Still, I must say, it is a noble fantasy, and some people just like to escape from the reality of this world. Yet, I don't really think that the party in your country has a very different programm then others, they just like to call themselves communists.

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    Post Re: Why communism doesn't work?

    I will put this in a simplified manner and briefly. Imagine you are a doctor and you make the same wages as the janitor, does it seem a bit unfair? The flaw here is that the system is based on the idea that people are "altruistic" and altruism really is not something a majority of people can base their life on. Due to the equality complex less and less people want to be trained as specialists as the financial outcome is the same. Therfore there are less doctors, lawyers, dentists and so forth. In the pst propoganda was used to rally the people up to get trained to help contribute to "the greater good" and to help the motherland and some believed it, but not all.

    Another major flaw is that communism allows room for autocratic control. Imagine if one leader comes to power and he seems great to start with, but he really sells everyone into military slavery. This is something that has happened often with communism. The tragic part is really you have no say in lawmaking and politics so often you are subject to propoganda so it all seems wonderful and you are made to obey "or else."

    Communism is far too an "idealistic" system rather than a practical one. It has failed throughout history.

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    Post Re: Why communism doesn't work?

    I'm glad to see we all agree about the wrong communist intent of eradicate private property, free enterprise, autonomous work and also religious customs. The local communist party abjured marxism-leninism about few years ago, and now they are more an ultra-leftist party than anything else.

    I remember my grandfather once told me he went in Romania and the local people couldn't believe him when he said he was a working-class member with 3 kids to worry about but with 3 cars! Probably none of them could afford 3 cars.
    I hope this doesn't sound like an apology of wild capitalism, anyway.

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