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    One Third of All European Children Will Be Born to Moslem Families by 2025

    Germany’s downward spiral in population is no longer reversible, the country’s federal statistics office said Tuesday. The birthrate has dropped so low that immigration numbers cannot compensate.

    “The fall in the population can no longer be stopped,” vice-president Walter Rademacher with the Federal Statistics Office said, reported Agence France-Presse.

    Germany has the lowest birthrate in Europe, with an average of 1.36 children per woman. Despite government incentives to encourage larger families, the population is dropping rapidly and that trend will continue, with an expected loss of as much as 12 million by 2050. That would mean about a 15 percent drop from the country’s current population of 82.4 million, the German news source Deutsche Welle reported today.

    The low birthrate will cause the German population to age dramatically over the next 40 years--last year there were 144,000 more deaths than births, and that number could increase to 600,000 by 2050, the FSO forecast stated.

    With a 22 percent reduction in the workforce and increasing costs for senior assistance and medical care, the drop in population is expected to have a radical impact on the nation’s economy, along with the welfare budget.

    “I wouldn’t like to use the word ‘bankrupt’ because it’s a major challenge for the social insurance systems, that’s for certain,” Radermacher said in an interview with DW-Radio. “But the first thing is to reform the social insurance systems…We can learn from other countries…In every case, you need someone who has to work and give you some earnings.”

    “The projections tell us the development of demographic trends will be even more dramatic in the eastern part of Germany,” Radermacher said . “This is because of the fertility rates in the eastern part of Germany, because of internal migration with the borders of Germany and many other demographic factors.”

    While immigrants are increasingly relied upon to compensate for low birth rates in European countries, Radermacher said even factoring in a projected annual influx of 100,000-200,000 migrants won’t prevent the population plunge.

    “Even those people who are immigrants adopt after a couple years the lifestyle and the number of children per family. So the assumption that immigrants will stick to their habits is simply not true.”

    Germany has one of the largest populations of Muslim immigrants in Western Europe, with a Muslim community of over 3 million. That trend is expected to continue, leading some demographic trend-watchers to warn that the country is well on the way to becoming a Muslim state by 2050, Deutsche Welle reported.

    The Brussels Journal reported last month that one third of all European children will be born to Muslim families by 2025. There are an estimated 50 million Muslims living in Europe today--that number is expected to double over the next twenty years.

    The population losses faced by Germany reflect a trend occurring across Europe--The European Union’s statistics agency Eurostat has predicted an overall drop in Europe’s population of 7 million people by 2050.

    The demographic decline coincides with a dramatic drop in Christian religious belief and a consequent rejection of Christian morality and emphasis on the benefits of family life and children.



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    AW: One third of all European children will be born to Muslim families by 2025

    Quote Originally Posted by Rúna View Post
    The low birthrate will cause the German population to age dramatically over the next 40 years--last year there were 144,000 more deaths than births, and that number could increase to 600,000 by 2050, the FSO forecast stated.
    And this in times of peace, incredible. Seems like 60 years of "liberal democracy" and capitalist prosperity were more devastating for Germany as a nation than two or three additional world wars could ever have been.

    With a 22 percent reduction in the workforce and increasing costs for senior assistance and medical care, the drop in population is expected to have a radical impact on the nation’s economy, along with the welfare budget.

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    While immigrants are increasingly relied upon to compensate for low birth rates in European countries, Radermacher said even factoring in a projected annual influx of 100,000-200,000 migrants won’t prevent the population plunge.
    Oh ... 200,000 are not enough. No problem, so let's take in 5,000,0000 per year! But don't expect even one of them to pay a single Euro-Cent for or wipe the senile ass of a childless German non-grandpa who was too egocentric and materialistic in his time to have any children of his own.

    The demographic decline coincides with a dramatic drop in Christian religious belief and a consequent rejection of Christian morality and emphasis on the benefits of family life and children.
    Now, this is the only piece of good news in the article.
    I don't see how Christianity as a cult of death and praise of the afterlife could be any help in preventing the demographic catastrophe. It seems that Islam is a bit more successful at raising birth rates. So if we think that religion can save us from dying out, let's become Muslims!

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    Re: One third of all European children will be born to Muslim families by 2025

    This is seriously starting to freak me out.

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    Re: One third of all European children will be born to Muslim families by 2025

    Well, that's what you get if you spit on your Christian heritage, adopt feminism and multiculturalism, build a bloated welfare state, cripple the economy and import hordes of third worlders.

    And before anyone says 'blah America blah blah', no, I beg to differ, America is not this bad.
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    AW: One third of all European children will be born to Muslim families by 2025

    Christianity for sure helped to stabilise fertility if talking about the Christian conservative attitudes, but at the same time even more traditional European Christian beliefs and values are ambiguous, because there is no real valuation of blood, sexuality, children and kinship, at least not like it was or is present in some other cultures and not in relation to more spiritual, divine values, which in reality resulted in and included absolute chastity to celibacy as a higher value than fertility, family, kinship and so on. This alone shows a negative tendency in Christianity, if there is a higher valuation of celibacy, spiritual practises and indifference towards kinship than fertility, community, blood and kinship. This is a fundamental problem of Christian beliefs, being much older than modern day Christian degeneration in many other areas.

    One might compare with this:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=40331

    The Christian occidental culture had both positive and negative consequences for Europeans if looking at the big picture, with some decisively negative, even catastrophic trends being a newer phenomenon, partly the result of changes in society as a whole - and of Christian beliefs.
    So Christian beliefs and ideas were better for Europeans than the Liberal-Individualistic ideology if looking at the biological results, but still far from the optimum with many negative consequences. But to be fair again, there are different kinds of and approaches to Christianity, one shouldnt generalise too much on that.
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    AW: One third of all European children will be born to Muslim families by 2025

    Well we shouldn't do as if Christianty has nothing to do with anti-racism and multiculturalism. In fact Christianity has no problem with these ideologies that will destroy Europe like we know it. That's what you get from a religion that relies just on baptism (like a citizenship nowadays), without bonds of blood and heritage. My thesis is that anti-racism and multiculturalism has its roots withn Christianity itself, so to say Christianity would safe us is ridiculous.

    All we can hope is that these political systems crash before it is to late, so that another path opens itself up. If not, the rest of our native european descendants will have to live as a Kuffir-minority withn their Islamic states. If they have luck. I don't have to explain, that they wont grant them any rights, unlike we foolishly did to their ancestors.
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    Re: One third of all European children will be born to Muslim families by 2025

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Well, that's what you get if you spit on your Christian heritage, adopt feminism and multiculturalism, build a bloated welfare state, cripple the economy and import hordes of third worlders.
    I could not agree with you any more. It is terrible.

    Even if it is cliche, maybe it is true, it must get worse before it becomes better.

    If you look at it in history, this is not new. Islam has always been trying to conquer us, but difference now is that we will LET them conquer us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gundahar View Post
    Well we shouldn't do as if Christianty has nothing to do with anti-racism and multiculturalism. In fact Christianity has no problem with these ideologies that will destroy Europe like we know it. That's what you get from a religion that relies just on baptism (like a citizenship nowadays), without bonds of blood and heritage. My thesis is that anti-racism and multiculturalism has its roots withn Christianity itself, so to say Christianity would safe us is ridiculous.
    Lets put it that way, it has its roots in Christianity in general and certain, more specific Christian thought schools and traditions in particular. I might add that the existence of Liberalcapitalism in its current form seems to be something which is not even thinkable without Jewish and certain Christian sects (Calvinist groups and Christian sects which mainly came up in or fled to the Anglo countries and the USA in particular) influences.

    But one shouldnt generalise that too much. F.e. what Lutherans became in the decades after World War 2 is something very different from what Luther wanted, in parts even the opposite and too often absolute degeneration.

    I dont say all Christian movements and beliefs being that bad, I dont just believe in reviving Christianity being a solution to anything, nor that everything was ok when Christian beliefs ruled, because they were from the beginning wrong in many very important areas. Its rather about a historical retrospection in which one can see positive and negative influences of Christianity. I might think of keeping up certain Christian traditions being valuable, but others not in an eclectic way, but I won't "buy the whole product". As a European, occidental individual, I can hardly simply dismiss Christianity its simply too deep rooted in the European identity, whether one wants to accept that or not, with all goods and bads, with everything great and pitiful, it was a major factor in shaping what Europe is and Europeans are now.
    We shouldnt be too ignorant about our own historical past and traditions, only try to get rid of what harms us, be it new or old, Christian or not, rational and useful for the individuals, group and species, that matters most...I dont care who said something right or wrong, I only care whether something is right or wrong, true or untrue, can be proven or falsified, being useful or harmful for the people.
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    Re: One third of all European children will be born to Muslim families by 2025

    This is how Paris will change in the near future.Paris was perfect in the year 1940 and now its only waiting for its destruction.

    Please my dear germans,do not take this too seriously. I found this from one finnish page.So its not made by me.


    In the year 1940 - Magnificant occupation



    In the year 2020 - Hell

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    Re: One third of all European children will be born to Muslim families by 2025

    depressing....but what can/should be done to prevent it?

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