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    How Germanic is the American Germanic?

    Taking my inspiration from the Amerindian American thread, where some posters thought 1/16 Amerindian was fine. Fine to them but not fine to me. My Great Great Grandfather (aka 1/16) was alive up to 1957. It's perplexing to me that someone could be considered a Germanic American, when someone in that household had living memory of some man who wore feathers and slept in tepees.



    So, what are your ratios for non-white and other European ancestries? In the United states? You don't necessarily have to mention the same groups.



    European - How much of ''that'' can an U.S. Germanic have?
    (Please note: my use of Europid is being used in lieu of ''Germanic looking'')

    European

    Europid Mediterranean - 1/4
    Average Mediterranean - 1/8
    Extreme Mediterranean - 1/32
    Afro/Arab Mediterranean - N/A (NON-APPLICABLE)



    West Europid Slav - 1/2 (cultural clash and dislike of Germanic peoples, which needs to be bred out)
    East Europid Slav - 1/3 (I am rather concerned about the Orthodoxy)
    West Typical Slav - 1/3
    East Typical Slav - 1/8
    Extreme Slav - 1/32 (those who show signs of well... ''partial ancestries'')
    Asian Slav - N/A



    Europid Finn - 3/4
    Typical Finn - 1/2
    Extreme Finn - 1/4
    'Lappi' Finn - N/A

    French, Catholic - 1/2 (Needs to be bred out a little)
    French, Huguenot - 0/0

    Europid Hungarian - 1/2
    Typical Hungarian - 1/4
    Extreme Hungarian - 1/16
    'Magyar' Hungarian - N/A


    Irish, Catholic - 3/4 (Catholicism Celtic Nationalism and obsession with France and Spain and other bullsh*t that needs to be bred out)
    Irish, Ulster 0/0 (Protestant Irish see themselves as British)




    non-whites

    Negroes - N/A (Not even a single drop!)

    Amerindian - 1/64 (More out of my own sympathy for the Southrons in the South whose ancestors weren't so bright)

    Jew - 1/128 (I would have a hard time trusting anyone who claimed to be Germanic-American and espoused to have a Jewish ancestor. It might as well be N/A.)

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    Hurra, hurra, hurra!

    Appearently Heinrich Himmler is re-born again! (This time in America, but there's allways a little loss…) At least you have the same euphory in making up racial theories and catalogs – the only difference is: Himmler had the power to enforce his theories, you don't.
    May I ask: do you have a girlfriend? Imagine you had one, a celtic angel with skin, pure as snow, ginger hair amd a face like an elf. Appearently, but later you'll find out she has some mess in her genes, let's say: a Spanish grandfather. According to your exellent theory a "non-white", because you allow only a 1/8- or even a 1/16-mixture (depends on how Pedro Gonzales looked like)… so is that reason enough to split?
    Don't say it's impossible, just study the genetic laws of Mendel.
    You're more pontifically than the pope – sorry: Himmler – himself. In the Nürnberger Rassegesetze: Marriages between a pure and a half-blood required a permission (but were possibly allowed), childrend of a couple pure and a quarterblood were interpreted as "deutschblütig" – so a 1/8-mixture was interpreted as pure.
    Seriously: whatfor do you need these classifications, which are only theory for you? Do you want to stamp the foreheads of all Americans with the sign "white" or "non-white" – in case nobody can see the difference?

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    While I see where you're comming from Herzbluth your example is quite flawed. As TheGreatest has stated 1/4 Europid Med admixture is fine with him, which I'm going to assume his celtic angel is if she has ivory skin. Even so you make the assumption that all Spaniards are swarthy, which they aren't so your example is sitll quite ambigous.

    I've always liked David Lane's classification of who is white, which is(paraphrasing) that if someone look white, acts white and fights white they are white, or I suppose looks Germanic and acts Germanic would be a wise change since that's the purpose of this board.

    I do think that the original post is well thought out and a pretty decent guide for someone who wants a (relatively)rigid standard.

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    I don't want to make an example for anyone. It's rather my personal views. I'm hesitant against marrying someone who is fully Mediterranean or Slavic, because they belong to those respective communities and share different cultures and values than I do. I'll still consider those people white but I don't necessarily want myself mingling with them.

    There has always been this discussion of an ''American Race'' for quite some time. Some figures spoke highly of Americans as being a principally Germanic race including the best individuals from non-Germanic countries in Europe. In a way, there was an American race in the 1920's, which was made up by a strong Anglo, Scottish and German backbone with some mixing from the non-Germanic countries in Central and Northern Europe.



    Which is a lot different than the views that White Nationalists have. Although some people on Stormfront have the right idea, most of them see no problem in replacing Mexicans with Italian migrants, for instance.

    Myself I have a hard time as seeing Italians as anything close or related to me. Especially with individuals such as Joe Ligotti who look indistinguishable from a goat herder in Mesopotamia.

    It doesn't seem right that one would go to all the effort to emmigrate the non-whites out of America, a formerly Anglo-Saxon country in composition, and replace them with Balkan Slavs.

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    Such deliberations are interesting if "Americans" should ever want to become an ethnic group in their own right, or more specifically a Germanic ethnic group. Until then, the individualist state doctrine of the United States of America reigns supreme and it essentially comes down to personal standards.

    The danger is, of course, that too lax standards may lead to self-exclusion and create an incentive to work against Germanic identity building.

    Previous threads have guesstimated that about half of the US population might be Germanic by ethnic ancestry. How much the system outlined above would yield is another question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    Previous threads have guesstimated that about half of the US population might be Germanic by ethnic ancestry. How much the system outlined above would yield is another question.

    I'll agree with those guesses. Back in the 1920's and 1940's, the United States had about 120 million citizens and I believe 105 or so million were of Germanic stock. Even today, there are more Germanic people living in the United States than in Germany or England (and perhaps even combined).

    The Germanic population is probably around 140-150 million, that's including the huge babyboom and the passing of most of the G.I. and Silent Generation. The demographic, I imagine, is a upside-down triangle, meaning most of the living whites belong to older generations (particularly the Baby Boom) and the fewest in the newer generations.

    Which is the reason why I summarize that the United States is going to collapse soon. There are not enough of my generation to replace the Babyboomers. The Babyboomers will all be retiring in a decade or two and all of them will be drawing pensions from a largely colored youth. Perhaps it could be argued that our current economic crisis was the result of the Silent Generation and the first wave of Babyboomers retiring? Regardless, things are not going to look pretty and our current economic crisis will continue to worsen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hierwend View Post
    I've always liked David Lane's classification of who is white, which is(paraphrasing) that if someone look white, acts white and fights white they are white, or I suppose looks Germanic and acts Germanic would be a wise change since that's the purpose of this board.
    Haha.. Lane's classification was the first thing that came to mind when I started reading the first post. It's probably the only realistic proposition for most Americans.

    I do think that the original post is well thought out and a pretty decent guide for someone who wants a (relatively)rigid standard.
    I don't agree with you there. Placing more worth on Protestants than Catholics of the same nationality doesn't make much sense. I'm not a Christian, but judging from history Catholics have tended to be far more nationalistic than Protestants. Germany is a great example. It was the ardent nationalism amongst Catholic Bavarians and Austrians that made National Socialism possible.

    Also, what on earth is wrong with Celtic nationalism in Ireland?? Sinn Féin was originally a very right-wing nationalist movement. Its founder, Arthur Griffith, extolled the racial purity of the Irish and sought to keep Ireland free from Jewry. Unfortunately the Left has somehow co-opted Celtic nationalism in recent years and perverted it; nevertheless, I don't see what's wrong with an Irishman looking back to heroic Irish patriots like Michael Collins for inspiration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    Such deliberations are interesting if "Americans" should ever want to become an ethnic group in their own right, or more specifically a Germanic ethnic group. Until then, the individualist state doctrine of the United States of America reigns supreme and it essentially comes down to personal standards.
    You're exactly right here. Not too long ago we had anti-miscegenation laws against black-white marriages, and it was common for Christians to have clubs that barred Jews (and vice-versa of course). Immigration from southern and eastern Europe was also curbed for a while. However, I think the cowboy "libertarian" streak that runs through America has always been too strong to make further restrictions. The best I think we can ever hope for is some loose form of "white nationalism." There's too much inter-white diversity here for anything else.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatest View Post
    The Germanic population is probably around 140-150 million, that's including the huge babyboom and the passing of most of the G.I. and Silent Generation.

    I think that figure is too high. MAYBE there are 140-150 million Americans with Germanic or partial Germanic ancestry.

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    I've always liked David Lane's classification of who is white, which is(paraphrasing) that if someone look white, acts white and fights white they are white, or I suppose looks Germanic and acts Germanic would be a wise change since that's the purpose of this board.
    True. Lane's words were so simple and beautiful. No one wants a White Nationalist, or even a Preservationist Society, where our DNA is constantly scrutinized to see if we are 3% Arab or 2% Mongolian due to some ancient mixing.

    Perhaps this is the ''Libertarian Cowboy Streak'' which Torch_Bearer was referring to.

    Chances are David Lane's words are going to be etched in stone and used by a reborn United States, or at least a future republic located on American soil.

    A lot of people on Stormfront have Lane's classification on word note, along with his fourteen words. It seems all you have to do is bring up Lane's quote and Georgians, Tatars, Persians, South Asians, all of them suddenly disappear without a trace. Good riddance, because there is nothing more annoying than a ''Pan-Aryan'' type who thinks he is deserving of a Swedish bombshell.

    Even if people won't agree to it. It's more or less understood that Lane's ''White'' transcribes to someone who is Europid in appearance, and Christian or secularized Christian in culture. And of course the idealized look throughout history has always been the Germanic look.
    Although Stormfront has zealous moderators who are quick to delete the threads on the 'non-whiteness' of Italians, Serbs and Greeks, they just keep popping back up. Just like Arthur Kemp's March of the Titans (As absurd the claims can be, particularly on the so called white civilizations of Oceania and Latin America) keeps popping up on that site.


    I have no doubts that if America is ever returned to her glory, than it would probably return to the pre-1965 immigration act. Most people just cling to this idea of ''White Nationalism'', because they don't want people to think they are ''Germanic Neo-Nazis V2" and that non-Germanic can participate in the American movement.

    There is a lot about presenting a good image which is attractive to the ordinary person. Perhaps I am taking Bismarck's quote out of context, but it's much like he said something along the lines: "I am not fond of the Italians or their people. But I will need to work and maintain good relations with them''. That's more or less White Nationalism in a nutshell, at least in the states, where the movement is the strongest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatest View Post
    True. Lane's words were so simple and beautiful. No one wants a White Nationalist, or even a Preservationist Society, where our DNA is constantly scrutinized to see if we are 3% Arab or 2% Mongolian due to some ancient mixing.

    Perhaps this is the ''Libertarian Cowboy Streak'' which Torch_Bearer was referring to.
    Yep, that's exactly what I meant.

    The American national character is just not predisposed to accepting rigid systems of any kind. I do think, however, that smart white Americans, regardless of what part of Europe the descend from, recognize that our culture and traditions are Anglo-American or Anglo-Celtic, and I don't see why these terms couldn't gain widespread acceptance under the right conditions.

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    While I like Catholics just fine(if I were of the Christian persuasion I would be Catholic, or Anglican it is a toss up) it is rather typical of Americans to place a higher value on Protestants then Catholics. I will admit though that that conclusion is based on liberal PC infused college courses on American history that could be distorted, I've never looked into the matter deeper.

    I don't see anything wrong with an Irishman supporting Celtic Nationalism. I think there is a lot we could learn from them.

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