View Poll Results: Germanic or Teutonic, which do you prefer?

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Thread: Germanic or Teutonic, Which Term Do You Prefer?

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    I Prefer the Term Teutonic

    Don't you? It's more fitting, as it really comes from the Germanic word for themselves. People, so, Teut, Theod, Deutsch, etc.

    Well whatever... I just like the term better.

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    Do you mean you prefer the term "Teutonic" over "Germanic?"

    If so, I don't think those terms can be used interchangeably. From my understanding, the term "Teutonic" denotes specifically the German (Deutsch) people, similar to the way "Viking" is term ascribed to Scandinavians during a certain time period. You can't use either of these as blanket terms for all Germanics.

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    I prefer the term "our folk" or "our kin" to either of those terms. I'd like to think that we can use the word "we" to describe ourselves. Essentially, it's only those not of our kind who need a label for us, right?
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    I'm sure we can all agree with that!
    "So, yes, we are better than others. Our worldviews are better than those of others. This does not need to be universally true, it is enough when it is true for us." - velvet

    "Our blood unity is of infinitely more worth than religious particularities;" - Chlodovech

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    Well, I think the meaning of "Teutonic" is more restricted to us Germans nowadays. Originally, the Teutons were one of the Germanic tribes back in the age of the early Roman Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutons). Their origin is Jütland, that´s Denmark and northernmost Germany today.

    Many know the notorious phrase "Furor Teutonicus". The original expression is generally attributed to the Roman poet Marcus Annaeus Lucanus, also known as Lucan. It occurs for the first time in his work "Bellum civile/Pharsalia".
    Lucan used the term to describe what he believed to be the outstanding characteristic of the Germanic tribe called the Teutones: a mad, merciless, berserk rage in battle.

    The Teutons met with the armies of the Roman Empire in the eastern Alps around 113 BC. The Romans, under the command of the Consul Papirius Carbo, tried to lure the tribe into a trap, but they underestimated their military potential and lost the Battle of Noreia. The Romans also lost the Battle of Arausio (105 BC) and other lesser battles, before putting Gaius Marius in charge of their defence.



    If you ask me I´d say that "Teutonic" is too exclusive. "Germanic" is a more inclusive term and so I´m prefering "Germanic".

    "Judge of your natural character by what you do in your dreams" - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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    I suppose...

    But the word Germanic has German in the name. (And certain tribes, never even existed in Germania proper.)

    >:/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    I prefer the term "our folk" or "our kin" to either of those terms. I'd like to think that we can use the word "we" to describe ourselves. Essentially, it's only those not of our kind who need a label for us, right?
    Yes this works for Germanic people only. But if you titled this forum for example "our folk", everyone who visited it and saw this name would think it could be him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradford View Post
    But the word Germanic has German in the name.
    So does Deutsch. I think it was originally Teutsch. To us Germans, Deutsch certainly won't mean a Swede or Englishman. It will mean a German proper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolgadeutscher View Post
    Yes this works for Germanic people only. But if you titled this forum for example "our folk", everyone who visited it and saw this name would think it could be him.
    Well, in a way yes, but I would rather say it highlights my point: We can use it to demark ourselves from precisely these other population groups, which need a name for us.

    Internally however, we need not to specify to our neighbour of what folk we are, he knows that. Internally, everyone knows what you mean if you say "our folk". In fact, to some extent even the outsider will know that you exclude him - if you amend that slightly, and in conversation, use "my folk".

    I know it all sounds like semantics - but it is a bit like the fact that Ancient, Pre-Christian Germanics had no name for their religion, quite frankly because there was no need to. These days, we have hundreds of different names. But in a self-contained and self-sustainable society, you don't need to mention to which folk you belong, it's perfectly clear to all, insiders and outsiders alike.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradford View Post
    I suppose...

    But the word Germanic has German in the name. (And certain tribes, never even existed in Germania proper.)

    >:/
    Well, the Proto-Germanic root for "Germany" is "Theudiskaz", from which Althochdeutsch turns it to "deudisc". We can see the root of "Deutsch" and "Teutonic" here.
    Even still, the Romans named the greater geographic region, and the people/culture Germania, from which we get the greater description, where as the derivatives of Theudiskaz are used more for mainland Germany/Germans.

    Additionally, "Teutonic" might confuse many people, as they are most prominantly known as post-Christian crusaders in Modern day Preussen.
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    "Our blood unity is of infinitely more worth than religious particularities;" - Chlodovech

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