View Poll Results: Germanic or Teutonic, which do you prefer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere
    Germany attacked our allies, those whom we had agreed to protect. It would have been dishonourable to stand by and do nothing. It would also have been dishonourable to lie, as Hitler did many times. Why on earth should we have trusted him?
    Let's put some things straight here. Britain was one of the main originators of the Versaille Treaty, that deprived Germany of much its fringe areas (Prussia, Schlesien, etc) for the sole reason that "Germany becomes too powerful" for the taste of Britain, who itself wanted to take that role (Britain's empire was the one where the sun never goes down, just to point out the megalomania of Britain). "Evil" Germany had no big ambitions to form a global reich, but it simply became most powerful on the European mainland and therefore was an obstacle for Britain's own ambitions there.

    So, after WWI Britain and its envy allies set up the Versaille treaty, to make Germany small and redistribute her areas to other people. Britain swore alliance to "Poland" (a not yet existing country, just wishful thinking at this time) and promised the (btw largely Jewish) people there all the fine German cities (Danzig etc) including access to the sea (originally all German areas, ie East Prussia). And Britain promised the Jews Palastine as well. Britain tricked Germany into "attacking" Poland (not that it werent Polish and British soldiers who attacked first), and that was the excuse to bomb Germany into the ground. (And a Mr Thatcher keeps saying: Cant believe it, we bombed them twice to pieces, and now they're back).

    So Britain acted on grounds of a treaty, that stamped over the Völkerrecht on various, if not all levels, built up alliances from this illegal, criminal and despiseable treaty to break German (and Austrian K&K) power and steal her areas, and swore loyalty to foreign folks (Jews, Poles/Slavs, French) against their kinfolk.

    Sounds not very honorable, really. Actually, its first class treason. Also, and this is really what you should understand, that all this was not in the interest of English / British people. The British people are just as much deceived as German people. Look around you, Germany has never been a threat to England, it were and are the peoples Britain swore loyalty to that are.

    Honorable would be to admit it and change attitude. And you really arent honorable with executing treaties that are made to steal and gain something that you neither deserve nor have a right to, because you did not make it, you didnt even earn it in honorable war. Remember that it took the entire military power of the world to crush Germany. Despite it being almost halfed by treaty, despite it being forced to obey to criminal treaties, despite that the imposed Communist Weimar Republic almost managed to drive Germany into the ground.
    And look what became of the areas that were stolen from Germany. The now French areas, far from their old glory, Danzig, a city of ruins when it was one of the greatest cultural centers, all the smaller cities that are now Polish, decayed.

    Maybe you should rethink your understanding of "honor". Because what you said would be dishonorable actually would have been the only honorable thing Britain could have done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G Baughman View Post
    Do you feel more connected with the Celtic or Germanic culturally?

    The Normans were speaking French to some extent, but culturally were Germanic people. They were desended from the Norse (vikings). The point being they added much to English culture making it a Germanic culture.

    I really don't think changing the name will help anything, we will still be loved by ourselves and hated by others.

    On a second thought why should we even worry about what other races feel about us? Should we really even care.
    I feel more Germanic than Celtic, but thanks to the Normans I think we've all become to feel a bit more Romantic :S. The Normans were partially the decendants of Norse people who settled in France, but they spoke French and attacked and raped the British Isles.

    Before their influence England was a lot more Germanic, in fact it was a lot more like a Germanic/Scandinavian country than it is now, the Norman conquest brought it more inline with the continental countries, not to mention the fact destroyed our language.

    Also @wwii people: if the regular British people were as deceived during the second world war, why bomb more than 40.000 civilians? Anyway, I don't really hold any animosity over WWII, as I've seen how subjegated Germans are now and I find it sad/unfair. But what should the British have done? Taken up arms agaisnt themselves while they were being bombed to bits by Germany to show loyalty to people across the Sea whom they've never met nor would understand even if they did? You can't blame any regular British person for fighting Germany, you can only blame some aristocrats and political leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Let's put some things straight here. Britain was one of the main originators of the Versaille Treaty, that deprived Germany of much its fringe areas (Prussia, Schlesien, etc) for the sole reason that "Germany becomes too powerful" for the taste of Britain, who itself wanted to take that role (Britain's empire was the one where the sun never goes down, just to point out the megalomania of Britain). "Evil" Germany had no big ambitions to form a global reich, but it simply became most powerful on the European mainland and therefore was an obstacle for Britain's own ambitions there.

    So, after WWI Britain and its envy allies set up the Versaille treaty, to make Germany small and redistribute her areas to other people. Britain swore alliance to "Poland" (a not yet existing country, just wishful thinking at this time) and promised the (btw largely Jewish) people there all the fine German cities (Danzig etc) including access to the sea (originally all German areas, ie East Prussia). And Britain promised the Jews Palastine as well. Britain tricked Germany into "attacking" Poland (not that it werent Polish and British soldiers who attacked first), and that was the excuse to bomb Germany into the ground. (And a Mr Thatcher keeps saying: Cant believe it, we bombed them twice to pieces, and now they're back).

    So Britain acted on grounds of a treaty, that stamped over the Völkerrecht on various, if not all levels, built up alliances from this illegal, criminal and despiseable treaty to break German (and Austrian K&K) power and steal her areas, and swore loyalty to foreign folks (Jews, Poles/Slavs, French) against their kinfolk.

    Sounds not very honorable, really. Actually, its first class treason. Also, and this is really what you should understand, that all this was not in the interest of English / British people. The British people are just as much deceived as German people. Look around you, Germany has never been a threat to England, it were and are the peoples Britain swore loyalty to that are.

    Honorable would be to admit it and change attitude. And you really arent honorable with executing treaties that are made to steal and gain something that you neither deserve nor have a right to, because you did not make it, you didnt even earn it in honorable war. Remember that it took the entire military power of the world to crush Germany. Despite it being almost halfed by treaty, despite it being forced to obey to criminal treaties, despite that the imposed Communist Weimar Republic almost managed to drive Germany into the ground.
    And look what became of the areas that were stolen from Germany. The now French areas, far from their old glory, Danzig, a city of ruins when it was one of the greatest cultural centers, all the smaller cities that are now Polish, decayed.

    Maybe you should rethink your understanding of "honor". Because what you said would be dishonorable actually would have been the only honorable thing Britain could have done.
    Germany started WW1 and lost, and the Versailles Treaty was a fair punishment. British actions were completely honourable at all times, and cannot have been treasonous since we owed Germany no fealty whatsoever.

    The actions of Hitler and the Germans have set back the Germanic cause centuries. So if you're looking for a regime controlled by those secret Jewish masters you're apparently so fond of blaming, look no further than the Nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere
    Germany started WW1 and lost, and the Versailles Treaty was a fair punishment. British actions were completely honourable at all times, and cannot have been treasonous since we owed Germany no fealty whatsoever.
    Where do you take your "facts" from, school history books?
    Ever thought about that most of it is lies (including the forged incident that is said to have caused WWI)? History is written by the victors, to make them look more glorious and to wipe some facts under the carpet, and someone else once said "what is history other than a story commonly agreed upon".

    Anyway, when you owed Germany no fealty (not that this term in this context isnt appropiate anyway), why do you think you owed the Poles fealty (think about that almost 50 percent of nowadays Poland once were German)?
    Or why do think you owed the Jews Palastine (back then partly occupied by Britain)? Ever thought about to stay neutral in a conflict that were none of your business?

    And why do you think Germany deserved a punishment? For being productive and strong? And why do you think Britain was entitled to carry out this punishment? Britain is not the European mainland, Britain has no business whatsoever here. And still, in its arrogance and blindness, it thinks it could freely redistribute areas that arent Britain's in the first place. Please explain what is "honorable" about that.

    And maybe you should also think about that the British Empire is the same empire that subjugates its own ethnicities, the Irish, the English, the Welsh, the Mercians, the Scots and what there is. The British Empire is as much your enemy as it is anyone else's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Where do you take your "facts" from, school history books?
    Ever thought about that most of it is lies (including the forged incident that is said to have caused WWI)? History is written by the victors, to make them look more glorious and to wipe some facts under the carpet, and someone else once said "what is history other than a story commonly agreed upon".

    Anyway, when you owed Germany no fealty (not that this term in this context isnt appropiate anyway), why do you think you owed the Poles fealty (think about that almost 50 percent of nowadays Poland once were German)?
    Or why do think you owed the Jews Palastine (back then partly occupied by Britain)? Ever thought about to stay neutral in a conflict that were none of your business?

    And why do you think Germany deserved a punishment? For being productive and strong? And why do you think Britain was entitled to carry out this punishment? Britain is not the European mainland, Britain has no business whatsoever here. And still, in its arrogance and blindness, it thinks it could freely redistribute areas that arent Britain's in the first place. Please explain what is "honorable" about that.

    And maybe you should also think about that the British Empire is the same empire that subjugates its own ethnicities, the Irish, the English, the Welsh, the Mercians, the Scots and what there is. The British Empire is as much your enemy as it is anyone else's.
    What you're really complaining about is the fact that Britain was more powerful than Germany and able to put its policies into practice. Funny that, because that's exactly why people didn't like the Germans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere
    What you're really complaining about is the fact that Britain was more powerful than Germany and able to put its policies into practice. Funny that, because that's exactly why people didn't like the Germans.
    Cheap polemic. And now answer the questions.

    Britain needed the help of the entire world to "put its policies (of criminal conduct) into place". I dont think this arrogance is appropiate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Cheap polemic. And now answer the questions.

    Britain needed the help of the entire world to "put its policies (of criminal conduct) into place". I dont think this arrogance is appropiate.
    I've already answered the questions. Germany started an aggressive war and lost, and then did so again, and lost a second time. The Germans obviously believed in the principle of "might is right" so they can hardly complain when others turned out to be mightier than they were. It's just sour grapes I'm afraid. Germany, since its bigger, has had a bigger economy than Britain ever since it was unified in the 19th century - but Britain has always had superior armed forces, which was proved in war. And whilst almost any nation on earth may well have the right to call the British arrogant, the Germans aren't one of them.

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    You didnt answer anything. You just repeated school-book "history" and media lies.


    But, do we actually expect anything else from someone who builds his "religion" on the Ora Lind book, a well known forgery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    Just because I happen to disagree with you, and am not pro-Nazi?
    I think I would be more worried about being associated with Communist and Marxist, than I would be with Nazis, at this point in history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EQ Fighter View Post
    I think I would be more worried about being associated with Communist and Marxist, than I would be with Nazis, at this point in history.
    Or how about, not being associated with any of them?

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