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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    Actually, this would be a sub-ideal replacement. Because the German word for this is --- yes, you're right, deutsch < thiudisk < theodiscus. As such we'd just be removing an obstacle for the English native-speakers and create a new one in the same vein for German native-speakers.

    This would be against English interest ultimately, because most Germans with at least a half-ways decent upbringing enjoying a classical education will be aware of the fact that the Scandinavians and the Dutch are also Germanics, but many simply forget about the English.
    :p I was thinking about that when I was writing what I said, but I was mainly considering English speakers, but technically this should be a word all groups call themselves. It would kind of be like in other ethno-linguistic groups where their word for their nation just means something like "people". Germanic languages have always lacked a word for this type of thing, but according to some article I've read (which I have upstairs atm, I'm too lazy to pull it out) the origin of the use of the word Deutsch to signify the people in Germany traces its roots back to English ecclesiastical usage of the word to signify the vernacular language/ the local inhabitants (aka, not Germans as we know them today).

    Teutonic is also a problem as it just refers to one tribe, the Teutons :S.

    I don't think it would add too much confusion, we could refer to the Germans as Dutch, the Dutch as Netherlandic, and the whole group as Theodish. Of course, I don't care what the Germans or Danes want to call everyone, they can call the Germanics Swahili if it pleases them, it doesn't really matter what we say of ourselves as long as we all understand that it might be different in another language :p. Of note, my idea is not that outrageous as there already were lands other than Deutschland referred to as theod in English and still in Icelandic Swēo■ēod / SvÝ■jˇ­.

    Also, as I said I alread think Germanic is a fine word, I just found it odd that it's not a Germanic word (or concept). I would also support the renaming of the Dutch and Germans to Netherlanders and Dutch anyway. I am not too concerned about what people want to call themselves (as long as it's not a black briton saying he's English, har har), and I am even less concerned about the term Germanic. The term is very rarely used in English outside of academic usage today, and most people you meet will think that English comes from Latin . Although I suppose half our modern words do.

    Edit: Also you are right about the Germans forgetting the English. In most of my linguistics classes in Germany the professors/students were hesitant to consider English Germanic. It was actually insulting to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SubtleCalmingFlow View Post
    I use the word "Japhetic".


    Unfortunately the Khazars are Japhetic too. lol

    None the less, I think Japhetic is the most expressive to include all the peoples we intent (minus the Khazars of course).
    Japhetic is far too Biblically orientated, and in any case means all Indo-Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Baughman View Post
    We should use the word Germanic as that is what we are. We all belong to the Germanic language group whether we speak English, Swedish, German, Dutch, etc.

    I don't feel any connection to the Celts as I don't share those blood lines or much of their language. The term white should not be used as that could be used for Slavs, meds, or other European races.

    As far as people of English decent they were also part of the Germanic tribes and therefore are Germanics also. Even the Normans were a Germanic people.

    We should encourage the use of the word Germanic and be proud of it. We should discourage the use of the term white.

    That is my thoughts on the matter anyway.
    That's exactly the point, because it's not the only word to describe it, and is too similar to German.

    And the Normans were French speaking and therefore Romance, rather than Germanic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    No Englishman? I would think highly of any Englishman who could overcome the brainwashing that caused hatred of the Germans in the first place. You must remember that Britain entered both wars by choice, when they did not have to, and the leaders of Germany at the time were specifically Anglophiles who did not want war with the UK. Your leaders were tools, just like our leaders are today, and they led you astray into a war against your kinsmen. We have to learn to refocus on the real enemy, but that requires spitting in the face of propaganda and being TRUE leaders, of first our own minds. The jew says being anti-semitic is evil and to hate Germans is good? Why did anyone listen to this?



    Yes, whatever the word might be, it can always be manipulated by the masters of propaganda... if we pay attention to them. If we, however, laugh in their faces and tell them to go stuff themselves, the greater the victory for us.
    It's not brainwashing that causes Englishmen to distrust the Germans, but rather the fact that they tried to destroy our country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    Actually, this would be a sub-ideal replacement. Because the German word for this is --- yes, you're right, deutsch < thiudisk < theodiscus. As such we'd just be removing an obstacle for the English native-speakers and create a new one in the same vein for German native-speakers.

    This would be against English interest ultimately, because most Germans with at least a half-ways decent upbringing enjoying a classical education will be aware of the fact that the Scandinavians and the Dutch are also Germanics, but many simply forget about the English.
    Many Englishmen of a previous generation might have wished very strongly that the Germans would just forget about them - a view shared, I know, by many of their descendants today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svartljos View Post
    :p I was thinking about that when I was writing what I said, but I was mainly considering English speakers, but technically this should be a word all groups call themselves. It would kind of be like in other ethno-linguistic groups where their word for their nation just means something like "people". Germanic languages have always lacked a word for this type of thing, but according to some article I've read (which I have upstairs atm, I'm too lazy to pull it out) the origin of the use of the word Deutsch to signify the people in Germany traces its roots back to English ecclesiastical usage of the word to signify the vernacular language/ the local inhabitants (aka, not Germans as we know them today).

    Teutonic is also a problem as it just refers to one tribe, the Teutons :S.

    I don't think it would add too much confusion, we could refer to the Germans as Dutch, the Dutch as Netherlandic, and the whole group as Theodish. Of course, I don't care what the Germans or Danes want to call everyone, they can call the Germanics Swahili if it pleases them, it doesn't really matter what we say of ourselves as long as we all understand that it might be different in another language :p. Of note, my idea is not that outrageous as there already were lands other than Deutschland referred to as theod in English and still in Icelandic Swēo■ēod / SvÝ■jˇ­.

    Also, as I said I alread think Germanic is a fine word, I just found it odd that it's not a Germanic word (or concept). I would also support the renaming of the Dutch and Germans to Netherlanders and Dutch anyway. I am not too concerned about what people want to call themselves (as long as it's not a black briton saying he's English, har har), and I am even less concerned about the term Germanic. The term is very rarely used in English outside of academic usage today, and most people you meet will think that English comes from Latin . Although I suppose half our modern words do.

    Edit: Also you are right about the Germans forgetting the English. In most of my linguistics classes in Germany the professors/students were hesitant to consider English Germanic. It was actually insulting to me.
    Perhaps they are hesitant to consider English Germanic because it's the one Germanic language that's more important than German.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    That's exactly the point, because it's not the only word to describe it, and is too similar to German.

    And the Normans were French speaking and therefore Romance, rather than Germanic.
    Do you feel more connected with the Celtic or Germanic culturally?

    The Normans were speaking French to some extent, but culturally were Germanic people. They were desended from the Norse (vikings). The point being they added much to English culture making it a Germanic culture.

    I really don't think changing the name will help anything, we will still be loved by ourselves and hated by others.

    On a second thought why should we even worry about what other races feel about us? Should we really even care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    It's not brainwashing that causes Englishmen to distrust the Germans, but rather the fact that they tried to destroy our country.
    Really, why don't you tell us HOW they tried to "destroy your country?" You sound like a propaganda poster, which is why I brought up brainwashing.

    You have not responded to the points I made, that the UK was the one to declare war upon a Germany that did not want war with the UK, and did so TWICE. Do you expect a country to sit there and do nothing when you declare war upon them and set up armies on their doorstep?

    This really never was a war between Germans and Englishmen, but rather a war brought upon a Germany that was free of jewish control, by the most jewish-controlled nation at that time, the UK. Don't you think it's about time we all stopped fighting each other and concentrated upon the real enemy? Don't you know how they laugh at you behind your back when they have convinced you to slay your Germanic kinsmen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Baughman View Post
    Do you feel more connected with the Celtic or Germanic culturally?

    The Normans were speaking French to some extent, but culturally were Germanic people. They were desended from the Norse (vikings). The point being they added much to English culture making it a Germanic culture.

    I really don't think changing the name will help anything, we will still be loved by ourselves and hated by others.

    On a second thought why should we even worry about what other races feel about us? Should we really even care.
    As a Mercian, and therefore an Angle, I obviously feel more connected with Germanic (though I don't particularly like the term). I do not feel Celts to be alien though, having lived alongside them for 1500 years.

    In what way were Normans culturally Germanic? By the 11th century they had adopted all elements of French culture and fully participated in it. Only a small proportion of them had Norse ancestry in any case, and these had long since been fully assimilated. And I really cannot see how the Normans could have made English culture more Germanic - they did indeed add a lot to English culture, and in so doing probably made it less Germanic if anything.

    I don't care what other races think of us, but if we are to persuade more people of our own race, we need a better word than Germanic, which is too much like German.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    It's not brainwashing that causes Englishmen to distrust the Germans, but rather the fact that they tried to destroy our country.
    Wow, that is about as ignorant as it gets.
    Please read the following.
    It is an essay written by Goebbels in 1939:

    England's Guilt

    It is a major error to assume that England’s plutocrats slipped into the war against their will or even against their intentions. The opposite is true. The English warmongers wanted the war and used all the resources at their disposal over the years to bring it about. They surely were not surprised by the war. English plutocracy had no goal other than to unleash war against Germany at the right moment, and this since Germany first began to seek once again to be a world power.

    Poland really had little to do with the outbreak of war between the Reich and England. It was only a means to an end. England did not support the Polish government out of principle or for humanitarian reasons. That is clear from the fact that England gave Poland no help of any kind whatsoever when the war began. Nor did England take any measures against Russia. The opposite, in fact. The London warring clique to this day has tried to bring Russia into the campaign of aggression against Germany.

    The encirclement of Germany long before the outbreak of the war was traditional English policy. From the beginning, England has always directed its main military might against Germany. It never could tolerate a strong Reich on the Continent. It justified its policy by claiming that it wanted to maintain a balance of forces in Europe.

    Today there is still another reason. The English warmongers conceal it. It is crassly egotistic. The English prime minister announced the day the war began that England’s goal was to destroy Hitlerism. However, he defined Hitlerism in a way other than how the English plutocracy actually sees it. The English warmongers claim that National Socialism wants to conquer the world. No nation is secure against German aggression. An end must be made of the German hunger for power. The limit came in the conflict with Poland. In reality, however, there is another reason for England’s war with Germany. The English warmongers cannot seriously claim that Germany wants to conquer the world, particularly in view of the fact that England controls nearly two thirds of the world. And Germany since 1933 has never threatened English interests.

    There are lords and City men in England who are in fact the richest men on earth. The broad masses, however, see little of this wealth. We see in England an army of millions of impoverished, socially enslaved, and oppressed people. Child labor is still a matter of course there. They have only heard about social welfare programs. Parliament occasionally discusses social legislation. Nowhere else is there such terrible and horrifying inequality as in the English slums. Those with good breeding take no notice of it. Should anyone speak of it in public, the press, which serves plutocratic democracy, quickly brands him the worst kind of rascal. They do not hesitate to make major changes in the Constitution if they are necessary to preserve capitalist democracy.

    Capitalism democracy suffers from every possible modern social ailment. The lords and City people can remain the richest people one earth only because they constantly maintain their wealth by exploiting their colonies and preserving unbelievable poverty in their own country.

    Germany, on the other hand, has based its domestic policies on new and modern social principles. That is why it is a danger to English plutocracy. It is also why English capitalists want to destroy Hitlerism. They see Hitlerism as all the generous social reforms that have occurred in Germany since 1933. The English plutocrats rightly fear that good things are contagious, that they could endanger English capitalism.

    That is why England declared war on Germany. Since it was accustomed to letting others fight its wars, it looked to the European continent to find those ready to fight for England’s interests. France was ready to take on this degrading duty, since the same kind of people ruled France. They too were ready for war out of egotistic reasons. Western European democracy is really only a Western European plutocracy that rules the world. It declared war on German socialism because it endangered their capitalist interests.

    A similar drama began in 1914. England had more luck during those four and a half years than it is having today. Europe’s nations had no chance to see what was happening. The nations of Europe today have no desire to play the same role they played during the World War. England and France stand alone. Still, England is trying once again to wage war without making any personal sacrifice. The goal is to blockade Germany, to gradually bring it to submit by starvation. That is longstanding English policy. They used it successfully in the Napoleonic wars, and also during the World War. It would work now as well, if the German people had not been educated by National Socialism. National Socialism is immune to English temptations. English propaganda lies no longer work in Germany. They have gradually lost their effectiveness in the rest of the world as well, since German propaganda today reaches far beyond its borders. This time, English plutocracy will not succeed in driving a wedge between the German people and their leadership, though that is their goal.

    The German nation today is defending not only its honor and independence, but also the great social accomplishments it has made through hard and untiring work since 1933. It is a people’s state built on the foundation of justice and economic good sense. In the past, England always had the advantage of facing a fragmented Germany. It is only natural that English plutocracy today seeks to split the German people and make it ripe for new collapse.

    English lying propaganda can no longer name things by their proper names. It therefore claims that it is not fighting the German people, only Hitlerism. But we know this old song. In South Africa, England was not fighting the Boers, only Krugerism. In the World War, England wanted to destroy Kaiserism, not the German people. But that did not stop English plutocracy from brutally and relentlessly suppressing the Boers after that war or the Germans after our defeat.

    A child once burned is twice shy. The German people were once victims of lying English war propaganda. Now it understands the situation. It has long understood the background of this war. It knows that behind all English plutocratic capitalism’s fine words, its aim is to destroy Germany’s social achievements. We are defending the socialism we have build in Germany since 1933 with every military, economic and spiritual means at our disposal. The bald English lies have no impact on the German people.

    English plutocracy is finally being forced to defend itself. In the past, it always found other nations to fight for it. This time, the English people must themselves risk their necks for the lords and City men. They will meet a unified German people of workers, farmers, and soldiers who are prepared to defend their nation with every means at their disposal.

    We did not want war. England inflicted it on us. English plutocracy forced it on us. England is responsible for the war, and it will have to pay for it.

    The whole world is waking up today. It can no longer be ruled by the capitalist methods of the 19th century. The peoples have matured. They will one day deal a terrible blow to the capitalist plutocrats who are the cause of their misery.

    It is no accident that National Socialism has the historical task of carrying out this reckoning. Plutocracy is collapsing intellectually, spiritually, and in the not too distant future, militarily. We are acting consistently with Nietzsche’s words: “Give a shove to what is falling

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