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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimner View Post
    Be that as it may, if they are hell bent to run after their jewish finance masters every command and the utter destruction of the Germanic races how does it benefit Germanics? Their perceptions would be the place to start working on a solution.
    For a start off, Anglo-Saxons are far less likely to believe in far-fetched conspiracy theories than Germans, it seems. We take a far more practical approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    They were Germanic, but not German - and you've just highlighted precisely why the term "Germanic" is misleading. In fact, the Anglo-Saxons were speakers of North Sea Germanic, whereas modern German is descended from High German, a different branch entirely. North Sea Germanic - as one would expect, given its location - had elements in common with Scandinavian.
    LOL, holy crap. We have "high German" since the 17th/18th century here, but this of course did not replace the Frisian, Angel and Saxon people, only changed their language. A very slow process on top btw.

    Just like English overwrote Anglo-Saxon. The Angeln came from the area that is today the border between Germany and Denmark and the Saxons held more or less entire North Germany. And they were indeed German tribes (what nowadays make up the racial spectrum of north Germany (in contrast to south Germany, where it is a little different spectrum), not just "Germanic" ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    For a start off, Anglo-Saxons are far less likely to believe in far-fetched conspiracy theories than Germans, it seems. We take a far more practical approach.
    The ranting of the I'll informed masked by a shady insult, I see that often enough on Skadi. Good luck mate.
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    LOL, holy crap. We have "high German" since the 17th/18th century here, but this of course did not replace the Frisian, Angel and Saxon people, only changed their language. A very slow process on top btw.

    Just like English overwrote Anglo-Saxon. The Angeln came from the area that is today the border between Germany and Denmark and the Saxons held more or less entire North Germany. And they were indeed German tribes (what nowadays make up the racial spectrum of north Germany (in contrast to south Germany, where it is a little different spectrum), not just "Germanic" ones.
    What do you mean by English overwrote Anglo-Saxon? One evolved into the other. And yes, north Germany was indeed once inhabited by North Sea Germanic speakers, but apart from a few pockets of Frisian they've largely been assimilated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    LOL, holy crap. We have "high German" since the 17th/18th century here, but this of course did not replace the Frisian, Angel and Saxon people, only changed their language. A very slow process on top btw.

    Just like English overwrote Anglo-Saxon. The Angeln came from the area that is today the border between Germany and Denmark and the Saxons held more or less entire North Germany. And they were indeed German tribes (what nowadays make up the racial spectrum of north Germany (in contrast to south Germany, where it is a little different spectrum), not just "Germanic" ones.
    The High German dialects underwent the Zweite Lautverschiebung (High German Consonant Shift) between the 3rd and 5th centuries AD, which English and other West Germanic languages didn't (English and Frisian were pretty much the same language at this point). High German as it means now is different, but there is something called Althochdeutsch which is a lot older than the 17th century :p.

    Besides, there wasn't really a Germany around 450AD so none of those tribes were "German" so to speak anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    You are proving my point. The Anglo-Saxons are the most successful branch of the Germanic people, so they cannot simply be ignored, much as many Germans may like to.
    Because they are lucky enough to live on an island instead of on a flat plain between France and Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere
    What do you mean by English overwrote Anglo-Saxon? One evolved into the other. And yes, north Germany was indeed once inhabited by North Sea Germanic speakers, but apart from a few pockets of Frisian they've largely been assimilated.
    Anglo-Saxon:

    Gewat ða neosian, syþðan niht becom,
    hean huses, hu hit Hringdene
    æfter beorþege gebun hæfdon.
    Fand þa ðær inne æþelinga gedriht
    swefan æfter symble; sorge ne cuðon,

    wonsceaft wera. Wiht unhælo,
    grim ond grædig, gearo sona wæs,
    reoc ond reþe, ond on ræste genam
    þritig þegna, þanon eft gewat
    huðe hremig to ham faran,

    mid þære wælfylle wica neosan.
    ða wæs on uhtan mid ærdæge
    Grendles guðcræft gumum undyrne;
    þa wæs æfter wiste wop up ahafen,
    micel morgensweg. Mære þeoden,

    (from Beowulf)

    This is more old (northern) German and Scandinavian than English.


    Quote Originally Posted by Svartljos
    Besides, there wasn't really a Germany around 450AD so none of those tribes were "German" so to speak anyway.
    As well as there wasnt an "England" (nor an English language) between the 3d and 5th century CE

    I agree, the German language is way more complex than just that. Doesnt change anything on that Angeln and Saxons were both German tribes, who spoke a German tongue and had German customs (not surprising as they were closely related to Frisians... unless you want to say Frisians arent German either).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhere View Post
    And maybe the Germans too? The way some of them tell it, they were wholly innocent of WW2, which is clearly rot that won't fly with the English.
    I would love to see what Godwinson, Florian Geyer, Reinwen etc. may have to say about this presumptuous claim...
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet
    Doesnt change anything on that Angeln and Saxons were both German tribes, who spoke a German tongue and had German customs (not surprising as they were closely related to Frisians... unless you want to say Frisians arent German either).
    Modern-day Frisians are German because they are part of the German ethnicity, an ethnicity which has come to existence mainly by the unifying politics of the Frankish empire, which unified distinct Germanic tribes. Before this the German ethnicity did not exist. There were only Germanic tribes, which could be subdivided in Northsea germanic, North germanic, Rhein-Weser germanic etc. The Northsea germanics lay at the origin of multiple Germanic ethnicities: Danish, English and German-Dutch. So the Angles and the Saxons who lived in what is now northern Germany before the migration towards the British island were Germanics and, more specifically, Northsea Germanics; the ones who didn't leave, became part of the German ethnicity later on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Anglo-Saxon:

    Gewat ða neosian, syþðan niht becom,
    hean huses, hu hit Hringdene
    æfter beorþege gebun hæfdon.
    Fand þa ðær inne æþelinga gedriht
    swefan æfter symble; sorge ne cuðon,

    wonsceaft wera. Wiht unhælo,
    grim ond grædig, gearo sona wæs,
    reoc ond reþe, ond on ræste genam
    þritig þegna, þanon eft gewat
    huðe hremig to ham faran,

    mid þære wælfylle wica neosan.
    ða wæs on uhtan mid ærdæge
    Grendles guðcræft gumum undyrne;
    þa wæs æfter wiste wop up ahafen,
    micel morgensweg. Mære þeoden,

    (from Beowulf)

    This is more old (northern) German and Scandinavian than English.




    As well as there wasnt an "England" (nor an English language) between the 3d and 5th century CE

    I agree, the German language is way more complex than just that. Doesnt change anything on that Angeln and Saxons were both German tribes, who spoke a German tongue and had German customs (not surprising as they were closely related to Frisians... unless you want to say Frisians arent German either).
    Actually, most common words in English derive from old English words. In fact, one of the main reasons that seems unintelligible is due to our change in orthography and the great vowel shift and our change in pronunciation, as well as a loss of inflection thanks to the Scandinavians who strongly influenced our language.

    The name England is first attested at the end of the 9th century, but I'm sure it probably occured earlier than that in unwritten sources. Also, the name of the language was Englisc in Old English (pronounced Eng-Lisch) not Deutsch .

    I don't really know what you are trying to prove that I've already said though. There was no England between the 3rd and 5th centuries because it hadn't been settled by various Germanic tribes (not Germans, as Germany didn't exist) such as the Jutes, Angles, Saxons, and Frisians from Jutland and the Frisian parts of modern day Germany and the Netherlands yet. The ones who went to England wouldn't have been "Deutsch" because they hadn't undergone the second vowel shift, but rather they would be þéodisc.

    Suffice to say, 1500 years of separation and influence by French and Scandinavians as well as a language which is 90% unintelligible (and compared to old High German, most likely always was rather different) probably is enough to count as a separate ethnic group (if you still did consider them to be Deutsch ). If not then all Germans must be Danes/Swedes and all Danes/Swedes would be Indo-Europeans who originate in the Ukraine.

    Edit: Some other Examples

    Old English circa 1020:

    Cnut cyning gret his arcebiscopas and his leod-biscopas and Þurcyl eorl and ealle his eorlas and ealne his þeodscype, twelfhynde and twyhynde, gehadode and læwede, on Englalande freondlice.

    Old High German in Bavaria circa 9th Century:

    Fater unser, du pist in himilum.
    Kauuihit si namo din.
    Piqhueme rihhi din,
    Uuesa din uuillo,
    sama so in himile est, sama in erdu.
    Pilipi unsraz emizzigaz kip uns eogauuanna.
    Enti flaz uns unsro sculdi,
    sama so uuir flazzames unsrem scolom.
    Enti ni princ unsih in chorunka.
    Uzzan kaneri unsih fona allem sunton.

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