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    What Are Your Thoughts on the Word "Aryan" (Wikipedia Entry)?

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    "For other uses, see Aryan (disambiguation).
    Aryan (IPA: /ˈɛɹiən/) is an English language loanword. As the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language states at the beginning of its definition, "[it] is one of the ironies of history that Aryan, a word nowadays referring to the blond-haired, blue-eyed physical ideal of Nazi Germany, originally referred to a people who looked vastly different. Its history starts with the ancient Indo-Iranians, peoples who inhabited parts of what are now Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India."[1]

    As an adaptation of the Latin Arianus, referring to Iran, 'Aryan' has "long been in English language use".[2] Its history as a loan word began in the late 1700s, when the word was borrowed from Sanskrit ā́rya- meaning a speaker of North Indian languages.[2] When it was determined that Iranian languages — both living and ancient — used a similar term in much the same way (but in the Iranian context as a self-identifier of Iranian peoples), it became apparent that the shared meaning had to derive from the ancestor language of the shared past, and so, by the early 1800s, the word 'Aryan' came to refer to the group of languages deriving from that ancestor language, and by extension, the speakers of those languages.[3]

    Then, in the 1830s, the term "Aryan" was adopted for speakers of Indo-European languages in general, in the unsubstantiated belief that this was an ethnic self-identifier used by the Proto-Indo-Europeans, i.e., the prehistoric speakers of Proto-Indo-European (this belief could not be substantiated since the Proto-Indo-Europeans had not yet adopted writing). This development was in turn instrumental to the development of the concept of an "Aryan race", which by the early 20th century became closely linked to Nordicism, which posited Northern European racial superiority over all other peoples (including Indians and Iranians). In Nazi Germany the classification of peoples as Aryan or not was most emphatically directed towards the exclusion of Jews.[4][n 1] This racialist interpretation engendered both the "Aryanization" programs of Nazi Germany, and – in a late 19th century British-mediated form – to a racialist reinterpretation of Indian society, texts and history. Following the end of World War II and the discovery of the genocide that the self-styled "Aryans" had caused, the word 'Aryan' ceased to have a positive meaning in general Western understanding. In colloquial modern English it is typically used to signify the Nordic racial ideal promoted by the Nazis.

    In present-day India, the original ethno-linguistic signifier has been mostly lost, the denotation having been semantically replaced by other, secondary, meanings. In Iran, the original self-identifier lives on in ethnic names like "Alani", "Ir", and in the name of Iran itself.[5] In present-day academia, the terms "Indo-Iranian" and "Indo-European" have made most uses of the term 'Aryan' obsolete, and 'Aryan' is now mostly limited to its appearance in the term "Indo-Aryan" to represent (speakers of) North Indian languages. Notions of an "Aryan race" only survive in the context of fascist nationalism, in which nationhood is defined by ancestry."
    Any thoughts?
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimner View Post
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    Seems to match roughly the definition I recieved from my High School history class. With the small exception that the Aryans were more described as having originating closer to modern-day Ukraine, and that they migrated Southwards, bringing with them parts of their linguistic/cultural tradition, the reason that Farsi, and Persian are so related to other European languages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thulean Imperial Inquisitor View Post
    Most people are confused about the word Aryan. Many Eurocentric preservationists, and even some National Socialists, are confused about it!

    I consider this to be negative for the people, especially for National Socialists, since I believe the word Aryan is very important for Eurocentric people. It is my believe that every person for the preservation (and advancement) of our race should understand the word Aryan.

    What does Aryan mean?

    The word Aryan (Ar'y-an) is from the Indo-European language family.
    Ar = superior / noble. So an Aryan is a person who is superior / noble. Aryans are persons who are superior / noble.

    Ar is not just something which scholars started using in the 18th century, like some leftists would like people to believe. Nor is Ar something the National Socialists of the Third Reich just decided to distort or abuse (they did not distort nor abuse it). Ar/Ir is something which has been used by our people, Europids, since history began. Ar has been used in both east and west for a very long time! Spelled and pronounced differently sometimes, sure, but the meaning is the same.

    I will now list related words (
    all having roughly the same meaning and many, not all, being etymologically related) in Indo-European languages.
    • Sanskrit: Arya (kind , favourable; attached to , true , devoted , dear; excellent, master , lord, a respectable, a man highly esteemed, or honourable or faithful man, an owner)
    • Anglo Saxon: Ár(honour, worth; glory, dignity; grace, prosperity; kindness, benefit, help)
    • Old German: era
    • Germanic: erilaz = (member of the noble class, Runemaster)
    • German: ehre = (honour, honesty, praise)
    • Irish: Aire
    • Dutch: eer
    • Greek: αριστος
    • Ancient Greek: Aristos = (best, noblest)
    • Persian: áriya
    • Latin: ars (Art)
    • Icelandic: aðall (nobility)
    The list could be much longer.

    The Sanskrit lexicon Amarakosha (ca. 450 AD) defines Arya as: "An Arya is one who hails from a noble family, of gentle behavior and demeanor, good-natured and of righteous conduct."

    I encourage people to do their own research on this, like finding similar words in their mother tongue and comparing it with other similar words in other languages.

    Germanic Lexicon project
    Old English glossary for Beowulf
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    Philology of Ethnic Epithet of Iranian Peoples

    Now that we understand the word Aryan we must ask
    Who were Aryans in the past and who are Aryan now?!

    The Aryans of the past were the most noble / superior people of the past. The most noble / superior people of the past were of what would be called a Nordic / Europid race. Why were they Aryans (noble/superior)? Be cause they were the most creative! We define superiority on
    demonstrated ability and/or achievement. They as the Master-race founded all civilizations and dominated inferior slave-race peoples.

    See indogermanen.de.vu

    Are all of the Nordic / Europid race Aryans?

    The Euoropid as a whole compared to the Negroid race can be considered Aryans. But can we truly say the being of the Europid race automatically makes one Aryan? No, since most of the Europid race in this point in time are non-creative slave people. Only an Elite of the Europid race in this point in time are creative with a Master mentality, thus only an Elite of the Europid race can be considered Aryan.

    Can other races be Aryan?

    Yes, but only if we put them in groups. For example the most superior people of Asia would be the Japanese, they could thus be considered Asian Aryans. However they could not be called Aryans when compared on a global scale since the Europids are superior as demonstrated by
    ability and/or achievement.

    Now that we know what Aryan means and who are Aryans we must ask ourselves
    Why should we use the word Aryan?

    As explained above the word Aryan, sometimes spelled differently, is a word that has been used by the Europids since the dawn of history (at least 7000 years). It is a part of our culture, the culture we are fighting to preserve and advance. Even though the meaning of the word is widely misunderstood we should never stop using it, seeing that our enemies distort the meaning of all our words. For example they have distorted the meaning National Socialism (pro-Life) in the eyes of the masses into something which is "evil" and dishonorable, they dub it Nazism. It has become clear to me that our enemies think that by distorting and destroying the meaning of our words (our tools for communication) they can distort our movement. If we do as they will and stop using words just be cause they have been distorted we let our enemies see how effective their methods are. Aryan is a part of our identity. We must use and guard our great words!
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    National-Socialism believes that it is natural and necessary for individuals to have a real sense of belonging and identity: to have roots in a particular land which they value and respect as the home of their ancestors and thus of their own culture. National-Socialism is Aryan culture.
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    There is nothing wrong with using the word "Aryan". The NS used it, and many nationalists still use it today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    There is nothing wrong with using the word "Aryan". The NS used it, and many nationalists still use it today.
    I wasn’t inquiring to the correctness of the word, rather what can be deducted from the picture painted by our "Friends" over at Wikipedia.
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimner View Post
    I wasn’t inquiring to the correctness of the word, rather what can be deducted from the picture painted by our "Friends" over at Wikipedia.
    I don't see a problem. Words often change meaning overtime.

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    [it] is one of the ironies of history that Aryan, a word nowadays referring to the blond-haired, blue-eyed physical ideal of Nazi Germany...
    Bullshit. Aryan referred to all German races, not just blond-haired, blue-eyed people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    I don't see a problem. Words often change meaning overtime.
    I recon in this case it takes more then time to change the meaning of a word
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    From Wiki answers

    It is a word that is synonymous with Indo-European, and it designates a certain group of people that developed language as a community. Many believe that these people constitute a separate race.
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    There has been a recent attempt to peg the Aryan homeland as in the middle east and to emphasize that Indians are Aryan. This seems to be pretty skewed if not false. Up until recently the Aryan homeland was given as somewhere around modern day Ukraine, possibly Russia or the Baltics. With absolutely no new evidence suddenly they are saying that the homeland is in Turkey or something. Yes Aryans were there very early in history but there's nothing conclusive that this is a homeland. Yet modern Lithuanian and old Prussian was almost exactly the same language as the anceint Aryan language and the people in that area are the least changed physically from the original Aryan skeletal remains (note that modern Baltics have some of the highest percentage of blondes. Though there doesn't seem to be any higher rate of intelligence or anything that I'm aware of. I don't think Dinaric/Alpine Caucasions were less intelligent, though they may have been less inventive or less likely to lead. It seems the groups that are most mixed with Nordic and Dinaric (possibly med as well)were historically most successful (English, Germans, French etc.). Also some of the oldest remains of their civilization is found in the Baltic states. We can deduce that if they didn't originate in the Baltics, then at least their earliest major settlements were in that area (we theorize some nomadic origin around east europe then permanent settlement in the Baltics though we could just as well give the baltics as a homeland, but if you look at their expansion you see a central circle around ukrain and then radiating out to turkey in the south and balts in the north etc.).

    The original Aryan tribe were Nordic. A blond race with blue, green, or grey eyes. Some people who are Nordic may have light brown hair in certain periods of their life or later grey or white hair for example, but overall was a blond race. We just later used it as a term to apply to all Caucasion Europeans as the Dinaric/Aplinid subgrou which was closely related to Aryans mix bred with the Nordic Aryans almost so completely that they became one race in modern times. There is evidence though that some of the "Aryan" invasion of India and the east actually included the Dinaric (dark haired whites) subgroup as well.

    Here's some changes made to modern science:

    Aryan's are no longer European in origin but now originate in India or the middle east despite no real evidence for this.

    Aryan is not a race and never was despite historical evidence to the contrary.

    Aryans never called themselves Aryans despite written evidence in India dating back at least to 2,000 B.C. (possibly earlier) (the original Aryan tribe originated only around 3,000 B.C.) that state otherwise and despite modern linguistic evidence to the contrary (Ireland is called the land of "Eire" as in "Ar" in "Aryan" "Ar-y-land".

    Cro-Magnons the original ancestors of modern Europeans are no longer a distinct race but instead are lumped in with "earlier modern humans" despite clear cultural, physical and technological differences from other early modern humans.

    Science is being rewritten to be less racist. The wikipedia article is incorrect. Well its politically correct and corresponds to what is being taught in Academia and on science programs today.

    Brief Aryan history (I give this in my book on Asatru):

    around 35,000 B.C. we have what I call proto-caucasions. The Cro-Magnon man pops up in europe from somewhere. There is a genetic bottleneck. We don't know where they came from. Either from genetic change from an earlier more asian or black like group, from atlantis or thule, outerspace who knows. The first evidence of their existance is at the end of the last ice age in Europe 35,000 B.C. a relatively small population exists and there's a genetic bottleneck. They are similar to modern Europeans exept larger, more robust and larger brains. They have advanced art, music, religion, tool making etc. that is superior to the rest of the world at that time.

    3,500 B.C. (thereabouts) a tribe of Cro-Magnons somehow evolves. They suddenly emerge with a slightly different culture, and much more advanced technology. This group is very Nordic in apearance and very cro-magnon exept more gracile (not as thick boned). Mummified remains have been found in a chinese desert dating to about 3,000 B.C. they have redish and blond hair. This group expanded outward into the middle east, India, and Europe. They spread their language and culture. In Europe they mixed with a closely related cro-magnon people creating modern Europeans. Elsewhere they mixed with others. Though overall they made an effort to keep their blood distinct in non-European areas.

    It seems also Europeans mixed somewhat with another more asian like human group that was in East Europe. They were smaller and less robust and less culturally advanced. This could be one reason that modern europeans have smaller brains and smaller stature to the original Cro-Magnons. Likewise dysgenics especially of the christian era (dark ages) could have had an effect. Despite technological progress we seem to be a somewhat dumbed down, weaker version of our ancestors. This degenerate nature of modern Europeans is where the Nazi conclusion that "no one is pure" comes from and one of the ideas behind a need for a "new evolution" towards a more ideal physical and mental state of our people comes from.

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