Are the Infertile Unworthy to the Preservationist Cause?

[Siebenbürgerin]

I've read many opinions of peoples supporting preservation, that having children is the key element of preservation. There are enough discussions about peoples who don't want children. But what about the peoples who can't have children at all, because of infertility? Do you consider them worthy, or unworthy to the preservationist cause?

My view is they could contribute in many other ways: politics, education, science and more, because nationalism isn't limited to child rearing. Anyway, what's your view on the infertile?

[Svartljos]

Of course people who can't have children are just as fine as everyone else, unless you're asking a nutter. Infertile people can be just as much a part of a culture as anyone else, and as long as they subscribe to the values of a certain group (such as, Germans or Flemish or Chinese or any other example) then they are helping to promote and preserve its culture. If they chose to, they could also adopt children, perhaps saving them from an otherwise precarious situation. I'm sure some hardcore mentalists would want to have infertile surrogate mothers for all the babies reared in eugenics labs as well :p.

[Freigeistige]

Somebody who could bear and raise children but refuse are not loyal to the preservationist cause. However, the infertile can provide many things besides children, even a Germanic home for unwanted children. Also, even without raising children, there is so much more that must be done. These people have less responsibilities and therefore are free to help get these things done. Every person loyal to the cause is an essential part of the cause, and we cannot afford to lose numbers.

[Sigurd]

No, of course they are not unworthy to the Preservationist Cause. Each should contribute what they can contribute to their abilities.

It is shameful not to at least try to achieve something you are capable of, but you cannot scold someone for something they are not capable of. Scolding the infertile for not being able to procreate is like scolding the stupid for being incapable of participating in intellectual debate ... or the robustly-built for being ill-suited for competing in high-jump for that matter.

Essentially, as long as someone has their heart in the right place, and does everything to lead an orderly life, and tries their best to bring themselves into the Preservationist Cause whenever and wherever they can, by whatever means is at their very disposal - then they are worthy to be considered comrades.

If someone does not have children for a selfish reason, then this is contemptible. But if someone does not have children because they are unable to, it is clearly not. Much like someone who is unemployed because he is too lazy to look for a job is contemptible, whilst someone struggling to find a job after being made redundant is not contemptible as long as he tries his very best to find something.

The central point is - as long as you try to be the best you can, no one should hold those things against you which you are incapable of. Only the things which you are well capable of, but fail to perform, are rightful causes of scorn, IMHO.

[Bärin]

I don't think they're unworthy because they could do other things for the nationalist cause, as you say.

But I consider them inferior. Yes, eventhough they aren't infertile by choice. The negro isn't born a negro by choice either, but I still consider him inferior.

[ladybright]

Not unworthy. I feel pity that the will never know a life growing inside them. There is much to be done and people without children have more free time.

I think that adoption is a wonderful thing for infertile couples.

[Zimobog]

People who can't have kids should select an heir in their extended family and contribute to the financial well-being of that child. It should be a nephew or niece, but if an infertile person's own family is raising the kids "multiculti" they should select a heathen friend's child to be the benefactor of.

They should help pay for diapers, schooling, etc. with the main idea being that the mother of the child should not have to seek paying employment. Making sure our family's kids are getting all of mom's attention each day is a major priority around my house, one that we have sacrificed much financial gain to achive. It has been totally worth it. Other people aren't going to be able to afford it without help.

If people aren't able to have their own kids, than they could help make it easier for fertile family members to have more children than they could otherwise afford on their own by giving financial assistance.

They could have kind of a "godfather/godmother" relationship with the child and a special place in the family next to the parents.

[Wyrd]

I wouldn't say unworthy, it is something out of their control. However today, many infertile conditions can be treated through artificial insemination, surrogate motherhood, at worst adoption. So it's still possible to enjoy mother/fatherhood while being infertile.

[Sigurd]

Seeing that this thread has been subject to necromancy anyway, I'm going to add an extra viewpoint to this: Infertility not due to having no choice, but infertility due to earlier bad choices.

I do have a close political associate who received a vasectomy in his 20s without procreating. At the time he didn't understand that the very real over-population topic was only aimed at decimating white folks, and hadn't happened upon the preservationist scene yet, but at the end of the day it's something pretty final, since re-constructing the semen ladder isn't really affordable at a worker's wage.

Naturally, at this stage he might handle things differently. But, at the same time, it now enables him to act in a preservationist function in ways those of us who always have a family to consider: If he lost his job, he'd simply take a lesser paid one and himself and his wife would be able to afford less. This ability to be more outspoken and active about things allows for much more to happen than with those of us who double- and triple-think whether any repression from the state could have an adverse effect on their family life.

This was a difficult question for me to ponder upon, but: No, I don't consider this former choice a reason to be counted as an 'inferior preservationist' in that sense, despite being "self-inflicted": I do still think they'd make good parents if there was an option, and being both Heathens and staunch patriots I am thinking that I will give 'Heathen godparentage' for one of my future children to them, in this way they can still also play their part, especially if something unexpected should happen to me.

[Wolf Guard]

As long as they are appropriately devoted to our Folk, then yes, of course they are worthy of our cause.

I would encourage those who are infertile to find a good doctor and do some research. I have read that there are supplements, lifestyle/dietary changes, and medications that can sometimes increase fertility.

Those without children should take advantage of their free time to find ways to invest in our Folk. ie, set aside a commitment to any nieces/nephews or other young people in your life. If you have none, you can still devote time/resources to causes/organizations that help our Folk.