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    Question What Ethnicities Are Included in the Definition of "Anglo-American"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngloTeutonic View Post
    An Anglo Saxon, in North America, consists of people of British decent, and includes basically anybody of Germanic stock, as well as French Hugenots (who maybe quite Germanic ethnically). So to say that Australia is more Anglo Saxon than America is not true, because the largest ethnic group of America is German (soon to be replaced by Mexicans unfortunately), and German-Americans are Anglo-Saxons as much as your British-American.
    I've never heard this before, that an American of German ancestry would be considered "Anglo-Saxon".

    So what is Anglo-American?
    - An American of English ancestry?
    - An American of British Isles ancestry (including Irish or Welsh)?
    - An American of Germanic ancestry (from any Germanic country, Germany, or Sweden included)?
    - An American of Northern European ancestry (from any Germanic countries plus Baltic countries, etc.)
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    - An American of any European ancestry (Slavic or Latin included) who speaks English as a native language, i.e. is not a recent immigrant?

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    As far as I know, from Americans themselves, in the USA Anglo-Americans are the WASPs. German-Americans don't count as Anglo-Americans.

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    I have never considered myself a WASP, I prefer American with German ancestry. White American is also used alot.

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    Let me start off by saying that 'White Americans' don't actually have a term to describe themselves other then White. Ethnic labels were/are for those who are part of minority groups, not the majority. Things have changed rapidly over the last 40-years.

    Anglo-American would be the same thing as Old Stock. Old Stock are Americans descended from the pre-1840s White population of the US (just before the first major wave of European immigration), primarily English, Scots, Ulster Scots with smaller amounts of Huguenot, Dutch & German. The Welsh have always bee a small group & generally haven't had a Welsh identity in America (with a few exceptions) being absorb in the larger Anglo-Saxon or Scots groups. De Tocqueville in "Democracy in America" referred to the White population of America in the 1840s as Anglo-Scottish, as most of the population was of that component, Germans making up only about 9% at the time of independence & many having intermarried with the majority British population & Anglicizing their surnames, e.g. Ostertag > Easterday, Hasselbacher > Hazelbaker. Old Stock was 45% of the total US population in 1970, around 92.5 million. In spite of low birthrates it must be at least 100 million by now.

    Whether descendents of post-1840 immigrants from Germany & Scandinavian would be counted as is debatable. For the most part they have assimilated to the majority (or plurality) group of Old Stock/Anglo-American. I would guess most German-Americans have ancestry from the Old Stock group as there is no barrier to intermarriage & generally never has been.

    Some Catholics might be counted as Anglo-American. John Roberts, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court for example. Ronald Reagan's paternal grandparents were Irish-Catholic, though Reagan was raised Protestant by his Anglo-Scots mother. The Kennedy Clan of Massaachusetts is not Anglo-American nor is Justice Scalia or Justice Alito.

    In Arizona, New Mexico & parts of Texas the phrase 'Anglo' is used to describe non-Hispanic Whites. Originally these were nearly all of Anglo-Scots descent but now includes Italians, Jews, Slavs & I kid-you-not I have heard it used by media types to describe Lebanese.

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    Anglo-American may refer to:
    • English American, a North American of English heritage
    • Pertaining to Anglo-America, a term denoting an area of mixed English and American influence or heritage, or those parts of or groups within the Americas which have a tie to or which are influenced by England; or simply English-speaking America.
    • The Anglo-American ethnic group, a person who is European American or English Canadian.
    • Sometimes used to jointly describe the United States and the United Kingdom; see Anglo-American relations
    • "An American, especially a citizen of the United States, of English origin or descent" (source: Merriam Webster's New International Dictionary, Second Edition. 1961. p. 103. )
    • "Of, belonging to, or involving both England (or Britain) and America." (source: Oxford English Dictionary)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-American

    Wikipedia has got it right in this case.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Anglo-American may refer to:
    • English American, a North American of English heritage
    • Pertaining to Anglo-America, a term denoting an area of mixed English and American influence or heritage, or those parts of or groups within the Americas which have a tie to or which are influenced by England; or simply English-speaking America.
    • The Anglo-American ethnic group, a person who is European American or English Canadian.
    • Sometimes used to jointly describe the United States and the United Kingdom; see Anglo-American relations
    • "An American, especially a citizen of the United States, of English origin or descent" (source: Merriam Webster's New International Dictionary, Second Edition. 1961. p. 103. )
    • "Of, belonging to, or involving both England (or Britain) and America." (source: Oxford English Dictionary)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-American

    Wikipedia has got it right in this case.
    Yes. Though the Saxons are originally Germanic, I think most people in America just associate the ethnicity with England, and so use "Anglo-Saxon" to refer to British ancestry, unless they're Irish, or Scottish.
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    Hopefully, all of these Whites will soon be referring to themselves as "White Nationalists".

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    White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, commonly abbreviated to the acronym WASP, is a sociological and cultural ethnonym that originated in the United States.

    The term originated in reference to White Americans (Americans descended from European migrants) of British (English, Welsh, Ulster Scots or Scotch-Irish, and Scottish) descent, who were Protestant in religious affiliation. [1] It initially applied to people with histories in the upper class Northeastern establishment, who were alleged to form a powerful elite. Working class whites in the U.S. are generally not referred to as "WASPs", even if they are Protestants of Anglo-Saxon descent. [2]

    Strictly speaking, many people now referred to as "WASPs" are not Anglo-Saxon – that is, the descendants of the Germanic peoples, who settled in Britain between the 5th century and the Norman Conquest.[3] However, in modern North American usage, WASP may include Protestants, from English, Dutch, German, Huguenot (French Protestant), Scandinavian, Scottish, Ulster Irish and Welsh backgrounds, as well as persons of Irish Catholic ancestry who assimilated into Protestant religious traditions.[4] Therefore, the term WASP is sometimes applied to individuals who are technically non-Anglo-Saxons, including people with:

    Dutch descent, such as the Vanderbilt and Roosevelt families
    German descent, such as the Rockefeller, Heinz, Astor families.[5]
    French descent, such as the Du Pont family.
    Scottish descent, such as the Carnegie family.
    Scots-Irish descent, such as the Mellon family.
    English and Scots-Irish descent, such as the Bush family.

    Taken from:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASP


    It says it "may" refer to, and "sometimes", but a German-American or Swedish-America who grew up in America is not seen very differently then an English-American or Scottish-American, they're all WASPS to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiel View Post
    Hopefully, all of these Whites will soon be referring to themselves as "White Nationalists".
    I do not. I am a Germanic American nationalist, and do not feel any special kinship with Slavic, Hellenic or Mediterranean Americans.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    I do not. I am a Germanic American nationalist, and do not feel any special kinship with Slavic, Hellenic or Mediterranean Americans.
    I agree 100%, Southern and Eastern European people are white Aryans, but they are different "races". I hate when these white nationalists say that we need to bring America back to the ways of the forefathers, but then try to make America out to be this land for ALL Europeans. The founding fathers and early Americans didn't even consider half of these people as white, even Irish were considered non-white. America is an Anglo-Saxon land for the White Anglo Saxon Protestants, and not for a Russian or an Italian. We should live with our Northern/Western European brothers, and they should live with their Hellenic and Balkanese brothers.

    Believe me, I live in Toronto. I'm surrounded by a lot of Eastern and Southern Europeans, and some of these Slavs aren't much better than negroes or pakis.

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